I actually couldn't agree with you more. God gave each person free will and no one has the right to take that away. I disagree with most legislation (religous or otherwise) as it really doesn't change hearts or minds and doesn't protect anyone, but, just creates criminals. Thus the saying you can't ...

Sorry for the delay in my responses. For some reason this thread hasn't been showing up as having changes to me. First the yes no questions. Yes I occaisionally survey the site. Yes there are parts I enjoy but not in the way I believe that you do. Yes sometimes it does go against my religion as I ha...

loadedkaos, First a correction. Thou shalt no kill is actually Thou shalt not murder. War is a tricky thing. Many Christians believe it to be justified in a battle of Good vs Evil. Many others believe it is never justified. If you are honestly asking the question, Jesus made it clear wars would happ...

BobbyS, Good Observation. I too believe a good person is not marked by the words that come from his mouth but the quality of his character. A good person does give selflessly. I guess there is no room for improvement in your life though Bobby? You never learn anything new or improve upon anything? M...

No offense taken. No, hypnosis is not satanic at all and can be used for tremendous good and on the flip side trememndous evil. No, I do not know EMG's position on satan but he chose an interesting name. This site has a lot of evil on it but it also can not be called Satanic. No whether or not you g...

My good natared moralism is still there but I have grown a little weary of the blanket attacks for expressing an opinion. Tolerance except for people who differ from you. Honestly, who has been more tolerant? I'm just pointing out that I go attacked at every turn and that seems interesting. I say so...

Sandy, Interesting opinion. What does the 82 mean? Mortal, people have realized you're a pious fraud. Ok Second, a neat construct in which only certain people can comment on certain topics. In your view, can only Frenchmen comment on French politics? No you can comment but it's interesting how you c...

While I do tire sometimes of reading loooooong boring posts designed to try and prove worth. I am having a good time on this site and I'm not ready to leave yet. I find it interesting how defensive everyone gets over a single dissenting opinion. How is it that I offer such a threat to so many? It's ...

EMG, First I do find it interesting that those who preach tolerance have little for anyone with a different opinion. Next, the man asked for opinions and I gave mine. Nothing more, nothing less. You say that the self help are done just as effectively as any other here. That's not in question it's wh...

Sensitive Sandy? Childish insults really don't bother me.

You may not have a value to my opinion at all but if so I would suggest a book titled "My Descent into Death" it is a very good book and may work with your belief system. Just a suggestion.

I'm sure everyone wil love to here from me. :D I don't think the files themselves are "satanic" however what they are intended to be used for is poisionous to the mind and soul. They cloud the mind with impossibilities, lust and selfishness. To illustrate my point in clouded minds search the forum a...

If you don't wish to talk then don't. I've never even attempted to force or lure anyone into this discussion. I've also only participated in 2 others. I must ask why you return to it and read it if it doesn't interest you. I haven't ventured into any threads on this site that the titles or topics ha...

DryDreamer, That was quite a life. I definately can't say my opinion would be any different if I had an upbringing like that. It is truly sad when people pervert things to such a level. About the perfection. I can't disagree with most of your logic. However, I don't read that God has any strings on ...

Sorry for the name. I was reading the posts and Linja referred to you that way and so I assumed (and you know what that means) and copied him. I deeply apologize. In fact I don't disagree with you at all and I find it very fascinating. I do believe in karma as you describe it. I also believe reincar...

I was giving Sandy the benefit of the doubt. Are you saying he was flaming me?

Thank you Linja even if you do believe you may be wrong. I must admit I have made some errors but I also have been the target of much rage. I, like everyone has, do get 'bouts of arrogance. You're right the last line of my post was of a morally superior position and for that I also apologize as I al...

Exactly.

You did a much better job than I did. However, I go the sense that in some way you were disagreeing with me but I couldn't see where that was.

The only other bone to pick was the 4-3=3 But I'm sure that was a typo.

I am curious to here more Linja.

Sandy,

I am overjoyed that you recognize the spirit. But it is not mine.

Greg

I think that humans have done much to merit pride over dogs and other animals. We show an understanding of the universe around us that is seemingly void to animals. Animals (as science would suggest) have a limited impact on the world in comparison to us. We work on understanding the very laws of n...

No one asked anyone to become a Christian or read the Bible. If that is not your way then that is fine. I am interested in others and their beliefs. I believe it's what set us apart. Emotion can not be manifested in someone. It can already be there and someone manipulate it but that doesn't change t...

It seems to me, and I'm not flaming here, that you're confusing morality with ethics. I could be wrong, it would be unethical to leave a wounded person alone if they wanted and/or needed your help. I have to disagree with your one postive thing. 3.000000 is still equal to 3, 18/6 is equal to three....

Would it be fair to agree on one universal law? "And it harm none, so mote it be," in otherwords if you aren't hurting anyone, then go for it. Is that not fair? Does it not encompass morality and even more? To a degree that works but I would have to ask then doesn't the absence of help hurt someone...

-----------Mortal----------- There go those broad generalities, Mortal. Once again I seek definitions. What is perfection, in your eyes? What does it mean to be sentient? I agree that man(if we must speak in such generalities) is filled with the potential for both evil, and good. I must say that we...

I humbly ask for forgiveness of my arrogance. Thank you for a wonderful discussion. I will still be checking this forum if anyone has any questions for me. or anyone wants to continue our discussions. Maybe I'm wasting my time but as I said it has been a tremedous learning experience for me and I wo...

I believe the Blue Laws (while wrong) are constitutional because the constitution does not bar them from much. Also I believe technically a state could constitutionally pass them. The reason being that the first amendment clearly states Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of relig...

---Mortal--- If you read sandy's posts you'll find at least one reason why she's so bitter/defensive/whatever when it comes to topics like this one. Way to edit that question out by the way. I intended my question as an observation of your own behaviors. As far as being on or off topic.. you did br...

I will post it myself as I have nothing to hide. The reason for the change was in my arrogance I realized I answered a litany of questions that were unasked of me. When I reread it it didn't suit me so I changed it. However, I know I cannot escape my sin and so I will repost it. Quite mouthful to be...

People guard themselves differently and speak differently when in the presence of "one of those". And you don't guard yourself when in the presence of non-believers who may or may not share your position? I admit at times I do. I did not intend that as an insult but a statement of observation. You ...

Linja, I'm sorry to say it, but I have to go with Mortal on this. Two reasons. 1. Mortal uses broad generalities, and I'm sure he/she applies them first personally before ascribing them to anyone else. 2. I hear that Mortal stayed up late at nights planning the spring tsunami, the 1980 eruption of ...

Quite mouthful to be sure. I had to amend this so if someone read the long version I apologize for the change. It was genuine and the reason I put it I'm not sure but was moved to express love. Maybe it was to ensure I stayed humble but I digress. The reason I had not used the mention of God was tha...

I find it time-consuming and fruitless to try to nail jelly to the wall. Let me ask a few clear questions. 1. What denomination did your natural parents belong to when you were born? 2. What do you call the first church ceremony in which you were a participant? 3. To what denomination do you curren...

So we're agreed that "service" can be either of a submissive nature or of a non-submissive nature, based upon context? Sacrifice (and self-sacrifice) can easily be a form of submission. It depends on the motives involved, which of course, again makes it a matter of context, albeit in a possibly dif...

You are correct in stating that service and sacrifice are not necessarily submission. However, the example you provide, to me, is an example of service as a form of submission, possibly better stated as "being of service". Service in a nonsubmission sense, to me at least, is more along the lines of...

Mortal, from your post, I'm assuming that you don't share pride in your race. Care to elaborate on why this is? I just have to ask what we have done to merit pride over what, say, a dog does? We are human, that is what we are and we as the only known sentient life, on this planet, we are responsibl...

i voted no. the things i would do to alleviate the repression of NOT doing them would be immoral. as repression has done to everyone who's experienced it, through history. Again, maybe I'm not smart enough but I don't follow you. To clarify which definition are you using for repression? 1. The act ...

Here you imply that submission (ie, service and sacrifice) is a "universal" virtue......which of course, makes domination/dominance bad/wrong/evil. Guilt is a bad thing. Manipulate a person into feeling guilt over something and you've gained a measure of control over them Absolutely not! service an...

In *their* eyes, it's moral. But to the rest of society, it's highly immoral. Theoretically, the easiest way to see what a society considers proper moral behavior can be seen in the laws of that society. In practice, however, the laws more often reflect the priorities and views of the people who ha...

I would define an immoral act as any act, the performance of which, would cause you, (the performer of the act), personally, to feel guilt about it afterward. Yes, I realize it seems a rather open-ended definition, however, it seems to fit the definition of moral that has apparently been agreed upo...

Thank you, Carolientje, for an honest perspective. Your grammar is as good as anyone's. Is it then safe to assume that I can put you in the category with makidas and Linja (and Jack). I believe that there are no morals in the sense of an innate justice, I just believe that morals are decided upon by...

Perhaps I am not as bright as you but I'm not sure I follow? I thought the 3rd definition from the dictionary defined that. If you want the noun then. morals Rules or habits of conduct, especially of sexual conduct, with reference to standards of right and wrong: a person of loose morals; a decline ...

Of or concerned with the judgment of the goodness or badness of human action and character: moral scrutiny; a moral quandary. Teaching or exhibiting goodness or correctness of character and behavior: a moral lesson. Conforming to standards of what is right or just in behavior; virtuous: a moral lif...

Mortal, I have the feeling that we have met before. Your answer to Jack and Loony 28 has a familiar ring. You have neatly set yourself up as arbiter and commentator. I don't buy the construct. I figured you would think that I was sk5 or No "T" (clever by the way) as you called him. I am here to tel...

It is just like man's vanity and impertinence to call an animal dumb because it is dumb to his dull perceptions. If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. That is the difference between dog and man. I have no color prejudices nor caste prejudices nor creed prejudi...

I didn't expect so many people to answer so quickly. Since I do not ascribe to views of morality, I voted no. If morals don't exist then how come you have a set of morals that state you can't hurt anyone that doesn't want to be? Wouldn't you consider that your view of right and wrong? :twisted: I do...

Reading through the morality post (hey guys) I saw a comment by JungleCat Its a sin, and its immoral. I think many people here acknowledge this as truth to some extent. I agree, for one. But like many people here, I really dont care. And no matter how many times you tell me im doing something 'wrong...