I don't think there's anything that would affect that. It does have some stuff that isn't in Forced Gay, e.g., it makes you want to dress nicely to please women, but unless you're a slob like me I don't think there's anything wrong with that. :-)

Turn-ons. None of this stuff has made me stereotypically gay, the files I've listened to just change your orientation. Though stereotypically gay would be kind of fun. :-)

I've noticed that a lot of files will have a huge effect on me when I first listen, then that will tend to wear off as the resistance kicks in. Then, if you keep listening over time, the effect will gradually come back and become more lasting. Anyway, CFG isn't instant, for most of us it takes about...

Alien4220, as a gay man I have definitely followed people's journeys into Curse Forced Gay because the idea of guys turning gay turned me on. It seemed like the vast majority of the guys had some bisexual tendencies before, and the file made them "more gay" but it wasn't like they were 100% straigh...

They were all true trances -- the three you remember were light trances, the one you don't was a deep trance. Both will change you. I've seen some hypnotists say that light trances can actually produce a stronger result, since the conscious mind is involved and can "help out" the unconscious mind. B...

I'd like to pass on the same warning I do to people who are thinking of listening to Curse Forced Gay -- namely, these files don't just make you bi, they make it impossible to be into whatever you're currently into. And they're curses, they're designed to be sticky, so after you've listened to them ...

I'm in the opposite phase. I listened to CFG for several days, then as of yesterday I'm back to women.

Hmm, I guess I'm nervous I'd end up like what Alien4420 wrote about Leonard Bernstein, only not as lucky. If it's just a sex thing, it's difficult to imagine a woman that wants to be in a relationship like that. I'm sure there are some out there, but the thought I'll end up alone starts to creep in...

It makes me wonder how many straight guys out there also have a hidden sex-only type of gay side to them. Hidden, as in repressed? All of them. Otherwise, well, I'd say if you are mostly sexually attracted to men, you're gay, if it's 50-50, bi, mostly women, straight. That's not the same as whom yo...

Well, I guess we're the experiment here. So you can't say never. From what I've seen here, it can be thrown off if you've only been listening for a month, maybe two. I don't think I've seen any successes among those of us who listened longer. But that's based on only a handful of experiences. So rat...

Suggest you listen to Deprogram All twice a day, both morning and evening. That way it will stay active and you're less likely to slip, once you do, it's hard to go back to Deprogram All, or at least it was for me. BTW, one advantage of the bi files might be that they give you something new to focus...

Hi Wymid,

Have you tried the bi files? Curse Forced Bisexual, Train Bisexual. Seems to me they're exactly what you want.

Otherwise, I think your best course is to stop listening and let the files wear off gradually, maybe get the undo file and deprogram all, if CFG will let you.

Time to give in and just say OK, I'm gay!

Or else stop visiting this site . . .

Yeah, it seems to be the curse files. Stroke Sissy had a similarly powerful effect on me, fortunately I didn't listen to it for very long. But even several years after I'd listened to it maybe three times, reading a thread about it reactivated it and I ended up listening again. I think one way aroun...

Hi alien!! Thanks for the support :) I was worried that the 'turnees' would be at my neck for backing out hahaha! No offense, of course. I mean, it's great that this file is doing what it does best, and i've even experienced it first hand, and it's been exciting and fun while it lasted, and it may ...

Hi Alien, Yes, it most certainly is. However, I've thought long and hard over this and I decided to quit (it took me more than 2h of serious thinking to finally download the files i needed to snap out of it.) Honestly, I think that's wise. This is as you say a serious change and if you aren't willi...

Also, i'm not sure that i'm even getting into a trance. What should i do? We all have the capacity to go into a trance, it's a natural state, the state we fall into when we daydream or watch a movie and get so absorbed that we forget it isn't actually happening. The trick with hypnosis is to learn ...

I'm not aware of any studies that might confirm that, but that doesn't really mean anything. I think there's no question at this point that the mind can influence hormone levels. There's research for example that testosterone levels rise when you're in a leadership position, and a recent report that...

LOL, it is, isn't it? Scary, I mean. Not hard to guess which part of your anatomy is going to win this debate. :-)

Like it said in a few posts it get stronger and stronger the more you listen. i could not wait to gt home and listen to it again. Am i hooked? Thanks Oh, yeah, but it's not unbreakable at this stage. You can reverse it by just not listening or you can listen to a file that increases attraction to w...

Dave564 wrote:omg

LOL

Wow, that's a hard situation to be in. She certainly has no claim on your fidelity. So IMO, this should be about you, and what you want. I agree that it's interesting that the file effected you so quickly and that there may have been something waiting to come out. In which case you would be finding ...

I don't think anyone can answer that for you because it's a personal decision about something that will change your entire life. I guess I'd say don't do it if you have a wife or serious GF, if it's important to you to have kids, or if you have some kind of serious hangups about homosexuality (in wh...

That has been the question I started with. I am wondering what others think. Are older people less likely to take to the suggestions in the files than younger people due to whatever reason? Does it take longer more repetitions of the files? I don't have any objective evidence to offer, but I'm gues...

I've still only listened to g file once, but I found as you did that it's extremely effective. The only problem I have with it is the fact that it takes 45 minutes to listen to and I find it hard to do that and add on another couple of files. I do suspect that the sooner in the day you listen to a g...

I've had that too, in various forms. Currently with PGM, which is what I'm listening to now. Forex, last night, after listening to it, I felt great about being gay. So too when I woke up late at night and couldn't fall back asleep for a while. But this morning I'm back to thinking "This is nuts!" Fo...

I listened to it once, but that was long after I'd listened to Curse Forced Gay, so I can't say what effect it would have had on me. Agree that G File is extraordinary. I've also listened to that only once, a few days ago, but it had a powerful effect and made all my trances much deeper. Its main dr...

If you want to change back, now's the time, because the longer it listens the harder it is to change back and you seem to be moving pretty quickly. BTW, I'm not sure what the effect of listening to all three files would be but there are some contradictions between Forced Gay and Positive Gay Male an...

I don't think so files have any actual effect. OTOH, being horny can increase testosterone levels . . .

I was definitely drawn to gay porn. But then I'd check every day because I was curious to see what if anything had happened. Also remember very vivid dreams, resistance to thoughts of sucking cock, etc. There was apparently a lot of heavy duty emotional programming to overcome.

Just wanted to concur with Bostonmarc, I downloaded the file after he mentioned it a while back and it's absolutely top notch.

IIRC, that first stage of gradual change lasted about a month.

How many people who have listened to CFG have had a hard time getting erect for sex with a woman? I'm becoming nervous about that. That's one thing that never happened to me, at least when I'm looking at porn, I stay erect no matter what. But I lost most interest in women so there was no reason to ...

For some of us, anyway, attraction to women is one of the last things to go., and if you don't listen to the file for a while it starts coming back. Shouldn't be a practical problem though if you listen to the file regularly.

No problemo. :-)

Cool, that's great!

Hi CycoMelody, I'm sorry to hear that. What you went through is precisely what makes me angry about the current system. For what it's worth, I didn't mean to suggest that doctors don't have the legal right to provide hormones or peform SRS without following the Benjamin standards. Legally, they can ...

The reason a Gender Therapist was is needed is because legally you need to have seen a Gender Therapist for x amount of time. They will give you a note that you can show your doctor to get you on hormones. Then they will refer you to an Endocrinologist. This is not anyone's opinion, this is the rul...

I'd say with a curse file the answer is maybe you can modify it, with difficulty. They're designed to be resistant to change and even if they weren't once you've listened to a file long enough it's going to become part of you on some level. On the basis of my experience with CFG, I'd strongly advise...

tanyaslave wrote:Haha really? What else is there besides hormones, anddumb ideas like mine x-p I wonder?

Yup, there are guys into everything! I don't remember the details at this point but they were doing some really weird stuff. I think the only thing that really worked was hormones, though.

...argument aside- Good News! :D When flaccid, my penis is a little more than a full centimetre shorter (utilizing multiple rigorous measuring techniques), and almost 3 centemetres shorter when erect! Unfortunately, I think that's about tall the progress that there will be... but who knows? Over ti...

I should add, since you misrepresented my actions, that I did not offer the OP "advice." I merely stated, after someone mentioned saw palmetto, IIRC a biological estrogen mimic, that, and I quote, "Estrogen can shrink it, quite rapidly." I did not suggest that the original poster do so, and I certai...

"I highly doubt anyone here really cares about your life story." - pypr420 "You always fall back on your opinions instead of factual *ahem* facts. and your opinion is a distorted one." - pypr420 "You obviously are very confused as to what a therapist does." - pypr420 "It is confusion, cynicism and p...

Your technique of argument hasn't changed, has it: you refer to my post as a "flame post" when in fact it was a defense against your attack, and you question whether anyone reads it. I don't know and I don't care. I do appreciate your offer to continue the discussion, since while you didn't reply su...

I will reiterate: I am not planning to take hormones again. However, if I did, the risk would be little higher than it would be if I saw a physician, and, er, the "sex therapist" I'd have to see before taking a medication I first took when I was 15. The risk of being offed by counterfeit estrogen is...

I was referring to the OP, for myself, if I wanted to take hormones again I'd just order them and screw the stupid doctors. I would not recommend that to anyone else, but from my purely personal perspective all they can do is give you a blood test, if you're gonna clot and die you're gonna clot and ...

Actually, when I used hormones, I just stole my Mom's. Then I bought them. I didn't mention that because as you say they should be taken under medical supervision so your blood levels can be monitored. I think though that there are doctors who will prescribe them without the asinine, insulting, medd...

Actually, it happened to me, beginning within days of when I started taking estrogen as a kid. T-girl sex workers watch their hormone dosage to prevent that from happening. But if the dose is high enough, your penis will shrink, and so will your balls, because your body will shrink them to reduce th...

Estrogen can shrink it, quite rapidly.

I seem to remember starting to feel gay at about a month out. By two months, I was a lot gayer, my straight part was more residual, and when I tried to change back it was a disaster. But I don't think I can point to any precise time at which it happens, since it's a continuous process, almost a proc...