Does hypnosis work if english isn't my native language?

[latexstudent81]

Hi,

does hypnosis work if english isn't my native language? i'm asking because i'm german. i can understand all the files, but i must concentrate to do this.
can i get an effect anyway?

[vienna68]

Ja, es funktioniert auch, wenn man nicht perfekt englisch kann.
Manche meinen sogar, dass es besser funktioniert wenn man in einer Fremdsprache hypnotisiert wird...

[latexstudent81]

Danke für die schnelle Antwort. Ich werde es probieren!

viele Grüße nach Wien ;)

[tantetruus]

same goes for me,

im from holland.

uhm... im not good in german at all, so please repeat it in english? (or dutch :))

will i be able to go into trance? and if id be able to go into trance, would my subconciscious (???) be able to translate emg's voice? are the effects less effective this way? please answer soon...

[vienna68]

in english:

yes, it works even if your english is not the best.
some people think, that it works even better, when you become hypnotised in a foreign language.

(I hope, everyone can understand my english)

[tantetruus]

so i doesnt matter if i get hypnotized in say, chinese?

[Jack]

Do you know chinese? If yes, then most likely it'll be easier to go into a trance. If no, then it depends on the skill of the chinese speaking hypnotist at using non-verbal signals.

[dharden]

tantetruus, when you listen to a conversation or read a paragraph in English, do you normally have to think about translating it, or does it seem more like a running translation?

[tantetruus]

yeah i get the point. no i dont have to think to translate. well, the chinese was just an example. and no i dont speak a word chinese :).

[sandy82]

tantetruus, when you listen to a conversation or read a paragraph in English, do you normally have to think about translating it, or does it seem more like a running translation?

Normally, the Dutch and the Scandinavians don't have to translate. In many cases, the Dutch speak better English than we Americans. Over eighty million Germans and Austrians don't have the need or opportunity to use English as often.

This debate over comprehension in second languages has continued for as long as this site has been in its present location. I'm not convinced that the answer is a simple one.

The subject needs to understand what the hypnotist intends to convey. If the hypnotist is not familiar with a range of foreign languages, he may use an English idiom that does not translate word for word into the foreign language. At the same time, the subject may speak good English, but he may not necessarily know the full range of English idioms.

For example, the typical English speaker believes that the following sentence is written in acceptable standard English: "Last night it rained really hard, and John was soaked to the skin; as a result, he caught a cold." Let's suppose the hypnotist is talking to a French speaker who reads and speaks very formal English. Imagine what his mind can do with that sentence. Even worse, the hypnotist (seeing what he thinks is clear, literal English) translates it into what he thinks is clear, literal French. It will NOT be:

"Hier soir il pleuvait à verse, et Jean était mouillé jusqu’aux os; par conséquent il s'est enrhumé."

Instead, imagine the impact, while entering trance, of hearing this:

"La nuit dernière il a plu vraiment dur, et Jean était mouillé à sa peau; là-pour il a attrapé un rhume."

What would the French speaker think...that on the last night of earth's existence John's skin was wet and he took a butterfly net to catch a room--while the sky rained cannonballs?

Unfortunately, my Dutch is non-existent, but my limited German leads me to suspect that many anglophones believe that "schwanz" is a number somewhere around sechs and sieben.

The possibilities for miscommunication are endless. More often than not, they are the fault of the famous linguists in North America, Britain, Australia, and New Zealand.

Second point. Suppose the subject is in deep trance, and the hypnotist is doing an age regression. If the subject is dealing with experiences when he was five or six years old, the memories will be recorded visually and, verbally, in his native language. While he is in trance, how effectively will his subsequently acquired English interact with memories retained in another language?

I don't know the answers. But it seems to me that the questions point toward more difficulties than we might like to assume.

I agree with latexstudent81 (and please forgive any mistakes):

Auch meine ich, dass zu probieren (mit ein wenig Skepsis) eine ausgezeichnet idee wird.

[latexstudent81]

Thanks for all the helpfull statements!
I will test some files in the next weeks and present the results right here. :D

[GAYTTO]

Yes I can confirm that files work on me too, and I am only at the beginning of this fantastic voyage into my inner.

Well, the trigger files have any effect yet. But I had some succes with the curses. I cannot explain why.

My question is : does the subconscious have a language ?

[sandy82]

My question is : does the subconscious have a language ?

Good question. My candid answer: I don't know. I suspect a person's subconscious contains vivid memories of conversations he had as a child, verbal scoldings from parents, praise from a primary school teacher. Those memories would be largely, but not exclusively, verbal. The emotional reactions to those items are almost certainly not verbal. My guess is that the "factual" memories, when linked with the "emotional" memories, really have an impact within one's head. How those combination memories are best accessed...I think a psychiatrist or a neurologist may be able to say. I bet the touching or re-arranging of those memories can have a big influence on outlook, desires, preferences, etc.

I like GAYTTO's question. I have a companion one. How do the concepts of conscious and subconscious minds match up with the Freudian notions of ego, superego, and id?

[Jack]

The subconscious comes wired with five known "languages": Visual, Auditory, Kinesthetic, Olfactory, and Gustatory. Or in other words: Images, Sounds, Physical sensations, Smells, and Tastes. Any language developed by humans serves as a representation of these five original channels. In a mathematical formula this would be represented as - Ad(V,A,K,O,G). Now when someone says the word "fire", your brain does what is called a transderivational search to find all experiences that have been liked with that word in the past.

So your brain comes up with the following:
Ad (V , A , K , O , G )
Fire (an image of, sounds of, heat from, smell of , taste of carbon
flames and, burning , flames , smoke and, and other
smoke items things molecules
burning
If you want more information about this read about transformational linguistics, and NLP.

Now, on to your question, sandy.

Let's define the terms.

Id - irrational, emotional part of the mind. contains basic needs and feelings.
Ego - rational part of the mind. negotiates between id and superego.
Superego - the embodiment of parental and societal values.

Conscious - that which one is aware of or can control at any given point in time.
Subconscious - that which one is unaware of or cannot control at any given point in time.

If you just want to compare the models of subconscious/conscious with freud's Id/ego/superego they would match up as follows.

Superego and ego represent the conscious part of your brain. The ego and superego are the parts that have been setup by what you've accepted from your past experiences.

Freuds' id equates to the subconscious. Irrational, emotional.

However, I don't believe the two really equate. To me, Freuds' id(I), ego(E), and superego(S) are composed of both conscious(c) and subconscious(s) parts. So it's more like there are the following: Ic/Is, Ec/Es, Sc/Ss.


The subconscious id is responsible for your basic needs to survive(eat, drink, deficate, urinate, procreate[at puberty and beyond]). The conscious id doesn't exist, it's more a part of the other two. The subconscious ego is responsible for keeping you safe and healthy. The conscious ego is responsible for keeping you emotionally happy and healthy. The subconscious and conscious superego is responsible for keeping you within the bounds of your role in society.

However, this seems to me to be inadequate. For a better model you should read Prometheus Rising by Robert Anton Wilson.

[GAYTTO]

Oops ! :roll:

Lesson #1 : find a comfortable place. Relax. Deeper and deeper.
Lesson #2 : Humility. Do not post a question if you're not sure to undertand the answer. :oops:

[sandy82]

I don't believe the two really equate. To me, Freuds' id(I), ego(E), and superego(S) are composed of both conscious(c) and subconscious(s) parts. So it's more like there are the following: Ic/Is, Ec/Es, Sc/Ss.

I don't believe they equate either. And I add an extra layer of complexity. The superego is essentially tape recordings of do's and dont's from early childhood until generally 6-7-8 years old. Hence, Thomas Aquinas' famous quotation. How efficiently and strongly it carries out its conscience/control mechanism depends on what was recorded and, probably, on genetic programming.

Genetics must play a large role. How else to explain two children from similar families of similar values...when one turns out to be a decent, if dull, citizen and the other becomes a clever, captivating sociopath?

Ego strength also varies widely from person to person. As the gatekeeper and intermediator, the power of the ego can have a tremendous impact on a person's behavior and functioning. I have heard from medical specialists that ego strength can be one of the biggest barriers to "letting go"...and, in some cases, all for the better. A strong ego, for example, may help hold in check an innate tendency to be a serial killer; and it should be left alone to do a job with socially redeeming value of enormous proportions.

Ironically, the strong ego and superego can result in a larger and nearly autonomous subconscious, relatively independent of the id. It houses otherwise conscious thoughts, appetites, habits that have been suppressed and repressed.

It's at precisely this point that I think induced relaxation or recreational drug use needs to be handled carefully...for everyone. If it opens the subconscious, it may not be the most productive or fruitful outcome for some people. Just as people vary in many ways, one to another, the best solution for one may be the worst solution for another.

LSD, for instance, may not be the Friendly Skies for everyone, and the old adage--"The truth shall make you free"--may not have universal application.