Using Hypnosis to Fight Terrorism?

[Calimore]

It's become obvious to the folks that monitor the Interwebs that online porn use among peoples in Islamic nations has risen to an all-time high, with Pakistan using the most per ISP address.

Perhaps erotic, online hypnosis might be a way to bridge one of the many cultural gaps that exist between their world and our "western" one? I'd be willing to bet that female domination is a HUGE kink for many Muslim men, especially among men in power.

I don't think the average US citizen would be thrilled to learn, though, that our leaders had put a hypnodomme in charge of Guantanamo Bay and started a FemDom internet black ops project, but still, that doesn't mean he shouldn't do it.

[DKaiser]

That'd be less a hypnosis thing and more a general understanding of "hey, these people are just people like us", with hypnosis as the initial discussion point.

[sarnoga]

It's become obvious to the folks that monitor the Interwebs that online porn use among peoples in Islamic nations has risen to an all-time high, with Pakistan using the most per ISP address.

Perhaps erotic, online hypnosis might be a way to bridge one of the many cultural gaps that exist between their world and our "western" one? I'd be willing to bet that female domination is a HUGE kink for many Muslim men, especially among men in power.

I don't think the average US citizen would be thrilled to learn, though, that Obama had put a hypnodomme in charge of Guantanamo Bay and started a FemDom internet black ops project, but still, that doesn't mean he shouldn't do it.

If one truly wants to fight terrorism they should begin right here at home by abolishing the DEA, the Federal Marshalls, as well as any state, county and local drug task forces. They are the biggest and most frequent users of terrorist tactics in this country today, probably in the world. The KGB and the Gestapo have nothing to teach them.

There is no need to look for terrorists abroad when we have more than our share of terrorist thugs right here in this country working for various branches of the Federal, state, county and local governments being supported by our tax dollars and what they manage to steal from citizens.


Sarnoga.

[mutatedbunnyboy]

Sarnoga i agree with you whole heartedly, you absolute don

[Calimore]

Hey! These law enforcement officials may believe that they are just "doing their jobs". It behooves us as practicing hypnotists, sometimes, to help such people reframe their beliefs so that they better perceive the overall damage being done by calling a war on the American people (people by definition can only "war" with other people) a "War on Drugs".

This strategy only allows law enforcement officers to easily objectify someone who may be an addict in need of help as a dangerous criminal who must be kept from decent, law abiding society.

But, Sarnoga, you digest...

I was talking about subtly working on the minds of people who might have a deep interest in totally destroying our system through active terrorism by offering more erotic hypnosis services geared toward Muslem users. This fetish can be pretty consuming and seems to be more popular than people are usually willing to let on. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me at all to find that Sarnoga or myself even had a fan or two somewhere much more East of us than either had ever considered before.

I know the idea is pretty 'out there' - Mistress told me to delete the thread, but I played one of my four "No Ma'am" cards, as I think it worthy of consideration.

BTW: I think domestic terrorism might also be contained through properly deployed covert erotic hypnosis. Our government has skirted (and crossed!) SO many ethical lines - what would be so different about this one?

[uw_onsterfelijk]

It's become obvious to the folks that monitor the Interwebs that online porn use among peoples in Islamic nations has risen to an all-time high, with Pakistan using the most per ISP address.

Perhaps erotic, online hypnosis might be a way to bridge one of the many cultural gaps that exist between their world and our "western" one? I'd be willing to bet that female domination is a HUGE kink for many Muslim men, especially among men in power.

I don't think the average US citizen would be thrilled to learn, though, that Obama had put a hypnodomme in charge of Guantanamo Bay and started a FemDom internet black ops project, but still, that doesn't mean he shouldn't do it.

If one truly wants to fight terrorism they should begin right here at home by abolishing the DEA, the Federal Marshalls, as well as any state, county and local drug task forces. They are the biggest and most frequent users of terrorist tactics in this country today, probably in the world. The KGB and the Gestapo have nothing to teach them.

There is no need to look for terrorists abroad when we have more than our share of terrorist thugs right here in this country working for various branches of the Federal, state, county and local governments being supported by our tax dollars and what they manage to steal from citizens.


Sarnoga.

You know what they call people/persons who stand up against the very people/Officials you speak of... terrorists!

I very rarely see someone who understands the BIG picture, I applaud you. If there was an award for NOT being one of the "sheeple" I would so award you ;)

[sarnoga]

Hey there, Calimore.

You should be ashamed of yourself baiting me with such a provocative title as used in your original post.

Hey! These law enforcement officials may believe that they are just "doing their jobs".

Luke Jackson was doing time at Road Prison Number 36 for cutting the heads off parking meters. Upon learning of the death of Luke's mother prison officials decided they should lock him in the box to ensure he did not try to escape to attend her funeral.

As one of the guards locked him in the box he said to him, "Sorry, Luke. I'm just doing my job. You gotta appreciate that."

To which Luke replied, "Nah - calling it your job don't make it right, Boss."

The same justification of doing their job was used by those operating the gas chambers and furnaces at the Nazi death camps. As you so rightly point out it is still being used today by those who should know better.

It behooves us as practicing hypnotists, sometimes, to help such people reframe their beliefs so that they better perceive the overall damage being done by calling a war on the American people (people by definition can only "war" with other people) a "War on Drugs".

You clearly and accurately point out that people can only war with other people and putting forth propaganda that attempts to re-name a war on the American people a "War On Drugs," does not change the nature of what it is, a war on the American people. However, while I agree completely with that analysis of the situation I still have to question the wisdom and utility of trying to help those who both initiated and perpetuated this war in re-framing their beliefs whether by hypnosis or other means. Offering that as a solution seems a bit like suggesting to someone dying of plague that they attempt to reason with the bacterium or virus that is killing them.

This strategy only allows law enforcement officers to easily objectify someone who may be an addict in need of help as a dangerous criminal who must be kept from decent, law abiding society.

Why perpetuate the myth that they are law enforcement officers when they so clearly violate many more laws than they enforce. I have corrected that statement for you. It also does more than allow them to do that, it encourages them to do that, and they do not only so objectify drug addicts. This twisted propaganda encourages them to divide everyone into one of two groups, us and them. The obvious conclusion of their belief system is that if you are not one of us you must be one of them and them deserve to be punished and destroyed.

Try it with this wording:

"This strategy only encourages terrorist thugs to easily objectify someone who may be an addict in need of help, or anyone else who is not a member of their terrorist cult, as a dangerous criminal who must be kept from decent, law abiding society(us)."

Of course they do get a lot of help and assistance from many other "citizens" who still see themselves as one of "us" and believe the only other choice is to be one of "them". After all, who wants to be one of them when they can be one of us.

But, Sarnoga, you digest...

Yes, I am working very hard at it with only limited success.

I was talking about subtly working on the minds of people who might have a deep interest in totally destroying our system through active terrorism by offering more erotic hypnosis services geared toward Muslem users. This fetish can be pretty consuming and seems to be more popular than people are usually willing to let on. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me at all to find that Sarnoga or myself even had a fan or two somewhere much more East of us than either had ever considered before.

It seems to me that unless something is done about this war on the American people there will soon be very little in "our system" that will be worth saving.

I know the idea is pretty 'out there' - Mistress told me to delete the thread, but I played one of my four "No Ma'am" cards, as I think it worthy of consideration.

BTW: I think domestic terrorism might also be contained through properly deployed covert erotic hypnosis. Our government has skirted (and crossed!) SO many ethical lines - what would be so different about this one?

Do you really believe so? No doubt if J. Edgar Hoover were alive today he would be hiding in his closet somewhere wearing women's clothing and masturbating while listening to "Curse Stroke Sissy" and yelling out "Jackie, Jackie."

The very next morning he would be back at work spying on various Americans he did not approve of or thought it would later be useful to have blackmail material on. It wouldn't even have stopped him from attacking those he viewed as dangerous or opposed to him by spreading rumors and lies about their sexuality.

No, I do not believe your solution would have any effect here at home for there is no bounds to the hypocrisy of those who war against us. In 1924, Hoover was appointed head of the Bureau of Investigation. In 1935 it was reorganized into the Federal Bureau of Investigation with Hoover remaining the director until he died in 1972. For 48 years he shaped the cult and cutlture of so called "law enforcement" in this country. He left behind him an enduring legacy of arrogance, corruption and complete disregard for the constitution, justice or the law except as a means to an end, that end being the aggrandizement of his own power.

As for what good your theory would do abroad, who knows. Soon it will not matter for we are not far away from being worse than those we fear. Perhaps it is already too late.

You know what they call people/persons who stand up against the very people/Officials you speak of... terrorists!

And so it has come to pass.

Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear.
August 8, 1950

Sarnoga.

[mutatedbunnyboy]

Sarnoga, iv said it before, i agree whole heartedly with you, the american government .... scratch that ... the american people! need to sort out their government first, then they need to work on their relationship with the rest of the world before they try to save us again.

Remember calimore, one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter 83

....... heheheheh freedom fries XD sorry but only in america could that kind of propaganda exist, absolute genius

[Calimore]

I guess that's what I get for starting a thread in this forum.

I'm not going to disagree - I also feel that "Now is the Time for all Good
Men...", also I cannot help but see threats foreign as well as domestic. This thread, like many in the Forum, got turned around to the point that my original idea has been completely ignored. Thus, I shan't offer another like it here again.

As for changing things within the system in the United States, I am already doing my part on a local level in my own community and am preparing to do more. Let me state for the record, though, that terrorism is the tool of the desperate and should only be used when no other resort is allowed.

Any American considering exercising that option needs to remember that they may not have a clear view of the problem and seek the aid of like minded people within their community to determine a more viable course of action whenever possible. Violence should always be held as a last resort, after all other options have been exhausted. Enacting violence against fellow Americans is detestable, to say the least, and, in my opinion, simply not an option.

I feel that as long as the American people have the right to an honest vote, they will continue to get an opportunity to better govern themselves. Until that mechanism has proven to be tampered with or otherwise determined by the People to be faulty, Americans (like most people) will continue to get the exactly the kind of government that they deserve.

America - Love It, Leave It or Roll Up your Sleeves and Get to Work.

[uw_onsterfelijk]

I guess that's what I get for starting a thread in this forum...........

I feel that as long as the American people have the right to an honest vote, they will continue to get an opportunity to better govern themselves. Until that mechanism has proven to be tampered with or otherwise determined by the People to be faulty, Americans (like most people) will continue to get the exactly the kind of government that they deserve.

America - Love It, Leave It or Roll Up your Sleeves and Get to Work.

I don't think posting in this forum that's your problem, I think it's the "merit worthiness" of your topic!

As to your "honest vote" ideals... know this, Banks and Corporations RUN the "world". And they are perfecting their total domination more and more everyday. If you fail to understand that, the wool has been pulled over your eyes exactly as they have planned!

[Calimore]

My wife works for the Banking industry and I have passed out more than a few DVD's of The Corporation in the past few years. That said, so long as people allow themselves to be duped there is little we can do about it. The American Sheeple continue to watch their sports, do their drugs, indulge in their fetishes and get their sound bites from the news, oblivious to the facts because they want to remain in the dark about how the World thinks and feels about them.

Blame is easy, Change is hard and there are all kinds of Diversions available to keep "Americans" from noticing that their Civil Liberties are being whittled away, down to nothing. Do YOU campaign for a promising new candidate, pass around petitions of even go out and get people to register to vote? Do you really think that us arguing HERE is going to effect any real change?

As for my original idea, it was said tongue-in-cheek, so I'm not bothered that it was ignored. I was trying to introduce something fun and humorous to hash on about instead of the usual rhetoric that gets debated in this particular forum. I do not, however, intend to get in the way of debate here by commenting any further, as I have, for the most part, been playing The Devil's Advocate, anyway.

I will continue, instead, to do those thing I already do to raise public awareness and promote good ideas. But please, continue your petty bickering. I find it most interesting.

[uw_onsterfelijk]

>Do YOU campaign for a promising new candidate, pass around petitions >of even go out....

It is hard enough for me to get my friends and family to listen and understand, much less "campaign" to groups of strangers. Sad, but true.

I have been hoping that before it reaches a "revolutionary war level of depression" I will have passed on from this world.

I live my life as to not add to their power as much as I can.

No bills(Mortgage, vehicle or credit card payments)!

No TV broadcast in my house, at all, paid or otherwise!

I have to go without alot of "things" in life for the principles I believe in, I'm happy about that.

So, I guess, I try to lead by example and spread information, but it does little good.

I think I read that the founding fathers of America themselves said that every one hundred years or so the current gov't would need to be abolished and a new one brought to life. As corruption will always seep in and no amount of voting will correct the problem. I believe that to be true, but very hard to achieve in this time. Not so hard three hundred years ago. WE have nowhere to run this time ;) hehehe

Be well Calimore.

[fabisandine]

I know a guy that doesn't have TV nor Refrigerator in his house. Not even a Cellphone.
And he's happy this way.

[sarnoga]

Ahh, Calimore, Calimore, you digest.

You spoke of defeating terrorism with hypnosis and now you talk of voting and living happily without television.

I used to vote, I gave it up. I used to be a preacher and gave that up. I used to dream of freedom and am still trying to give that up because it is a hopeless dream fit only for dreamers. But I find it hard to ignore the words of Jeff Lynne: "Hold on tight to your dream, Hold on tight to your dream. When you see the shadows falling, When you hear that cold wind calling, Hold on tight to your dream."

The problem is that everyone wants the freedom to tell everyone else what to do and nobody wants to mind their own business anymore. It used to be that the theory of the legitimate authority of government was founded upon a principal that came to be known as "the divine right of kings". The source of all authority was god, or so it was thought.

Theories and ideas have changed. Now, as it was at the founding of this country, the prevailing view is; we have a government of the people, by the people, and yeah yeah yeah, for the people. Given that the prevailing theory is that the ultimate source of legitimate government authority comes, not from god, but from the people, that principal should be adopted into constitutional construction to limit the government's exercise of power. The sum of the whole can be no more than its parts.

If I lack the authority to tell you that you cannot smoke marijuana or jerk off to unpopular sexual fantasies then I cannot gain such authority to tell you what to do simply because I have agreed with another to do so. I cannot even obtain such legitimate authority because I have joined with 200 million others to do so.

So ends the naive belief that we can solve any of our problems by use of the vote. Those who run for office are those who would enforce their will on others. The simple fact that they are running for office proves them unfit for the job they seek.

The theory that I can tell you what to do simply because I obtained "enough" votes is nothing but utter rubbish and bullshit. If freedom and legitimate government is desired, then one must first acknowledge the limits of the acceptable grants of authority. I cannot delegate to you that which I do not possess. Nor can 250 million people legitimately delegate to you authority they do not possess. If neither they, nor thier neighbor's possess such authority, they do not somehow obtain it by banding together. Refraining from watching television cannot make it so any more than can voting.

Why should I vote for anyone so long as they profess to uphold an oppressive government based on illegitimate notions of authority derived from their own depraved imagination.

I don't give a rat's ass who is running the government. So long as they persist in exercising power that does not rightfully belong to them and so long as they pretend to have authority for which they cannot identify a legitimate source other than their own desire to possess it, I will oppose them. I will not lend to them my assent by casting a vote for any of them. To participate in their depraved system of oppression is to lend to it credence it has not earned and does not deserve. This I will not do.

When was the last time you looked at your neighbors to the east. No not that far east. Right in your backyard. Your neighbors that share your eastern border are actually considering electing a fascist for Governor. So much for the legitimacy of the vote.

Terrorists? The concept is demented. It is well within the rights of any free person to resist usurped authority with whatever force they deem appropriate. I feel compelled at this juncture to quote the immortal words of Sam Hall; "I'll see you all in hell, damn your eyes."

So says Sarnoga, flame me if you will, I care not.

[Calimore]

Ah Sarnoga - well played, but alas, except for the part that I am a Pacifist and believe that Violence should be reserved for Brutes, the Desperate, and the Fool-hearty, I agree almost 100%

[fabisandine]

I'm a Pacifist too, but that's why I fight. To bring peace.

[sarnoga]

Calimore, fabisandine,

Greetings, my well intentioned friends,

Calimore, you put me in mind of the words penned by Roger Bowling and Billy Ed Wheeler:

"...Promise me, son, not to do the things I've done.
Walk away from trouble if you can.
It won't mean you're weak if you turn the other cheek.
I hope you're old enough to understand: Son, you don't have to fight to be a man!"

I'm a Pacifist too, but that's why I fight. To bring peace.

fabisandine, you put me in mind that Roger Bowling and Billy Ed Wheeler also wrote:

"I promised you, dad, not to do the things you've done.
I walk away from trouble when I can.
Now please don't think I'm weak, I didn't turn the other cheek,
And papa, I sure hope you understand: Sometimes you gotta fight when you're a man".

I believe they were embracing both principals, as I do, and explaining there is a time for each.

Or, for the more biblically inclined among you:

" To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace. Ecclesiastes 3: 1-8 KJV.

Perhaps for me, now is a time to speak. Perhaps now is the time to rend that which in the past was sewn but is now rotten.

Ah Sarnoga - well played, but alas, except for the part that I am a Pacifist and believe that Violence should be reserved for Brutes, the Desperate, and the Fool-hearty, I agree almost 100%

Well said. I do not disagree, Calimore. But I would note, that the Violence of government Brutes, have left many Desperate people in their wake. One can only hope that some good people are Fool-hearty enough to join with them. Or perhaps lead them.

Such was the case in 1776 when the Fool-hearty joined with the Desperate to throw off the yoke of the Brutes that oppressed them.

Always Yours,

with a desire for peace, a hope for justice, and an expectation of another century of darkness, upon which my eyes are likely to close without seeing the light of freedom springing forth in the heart of men,

Sarnoga

PS.

Rick:
Don't you sometimes wonder if it's worth all this? I mean what you're fighting for.

Victor Laszlo:
You might as well question why we breathe. If we stop breathing, we'll die. If we stop fighting our enemies, the world will die.

Rick:
Well, what of it? It'll be out of its misery.

Victor Laszlo:
You know how you sound, Mr. Blaine? Like a man who's trying to convince himself of something he doesn't believe in his heart.

[bandler]

I came late to this particular party, but I wanted to add a few things.

As for the original question, Using Hypnosis to Fight Terrorism?

The fight against terrorism DOES use hypnosis. Always has.

You know those pictures from Abu Ghraib? The torture techniques on display at Abu Ghraib were developed by the CIA over the years, and they incorporated... Hypnosis!

The Nazis did a lot of 'interesting' things to concentration campers. Those same Nazis were captured at the end of the war and put to work at major US corporations and universities with armies of researchers and graduate students to carry on their experiments. The Military Industrial Complex really hit the jackpot!
With all the research, techniques and mind control technology to play with, and billions of dollars, it didn't take long to develop and implement an effective mind control program for the the entire Western World!
How does it work?

Gradually.
Of course, we are almost 100 years into it now.
It started out slow. But when president Wilson's men discovered how easy it was to turn the USA from 'pacifist isolationism' to ready to kill huns, they stepped up the schedule. Hitler and Goebbles were really impressed too. They built on the Wilson Team's work. And then we brought the German experts to America after the war and things really took off!

Did you ever wonder how the hippies got LSD? Did you know Timothy Leary worked for the CIA?

Did you ever wonder why TV shows got more and more depraved over the years?
Like all 'drugs', the dosage must be increased over time to have the same effect.

Do you ever wonder why the 'news' is full of Paris Hilton and Brad Pitt, but curiously devoid of ANYTHING that might be considered an alternative viewpoint?

Because there is no alternative to the Military Corporate Complex. (MCC)

The airwaves, and your mind if you let it, are flooded with titillating trivia to keep the sheeple from thinking.
Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, etc. etc. etc. parrot the MCC party line.
Sarah Palin too. (and She is HOT!)

Might Makes Right.
The banks own the government.
the government owns You.

Freedom does not exist in the Western World.

If you don't pay your taxes, you go to prison.
As far as I can tell, there is no way to avoid taxes.
To pay taxes, you have to hire yourself out.
Can You Say, 'Slave'? (wage-slave)

A long time ago, the slave owners discovered it was easier if they didn't actually own the slaves. Now they still own the plantations, but the slaves have to pay their own room and board.

And the Police are not there to 'Protect and Serve' the people. They are there to protect and serve the wealthy plantation owners.

It is amazing to think how effective hypnosis is.

Average Americans are hypnotized so deep in trance that they honestly think they are NOT slaves!

Part of that trance is 'knowing who the terrorists are.' Hint: Anyone Sarah Palin says!

Also, the War On Drugs is another trance state. The government is the largest importer of illegal drugs. The money is laundered through Wall Street Banks that own the government. The DEA is tasked with keeping the street price up so there is a good profit margin.

Ask yourself: What would happen if people didn't watch 34 hours of TV each week? What would happen if people were not taking drugs (prescription anti-depressants, beer, heroine, etc.)? What would happen if people found out who creates money* from nothing?

They would emerge from trance and there would be a bloody Revolution.

* "It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning." - Henry Ford