Brainwashing room

by **DsCowboy** » February 17th, 2011, 1:04 pm

While I am aware that the majority of the effectiveness and practicality of brainwashing lies within the realm of erotic stories and fantasies, my (lifestyle) sister and I have discussed setting up a 'brainwashing chamber'.

She has a secluded cubby hole in her house that is relatively sound proofed and quite intimate. We both are somewhat experienced with hypnosis and BDSM and our submissives love mental play and conditioning.

So my question is what would one need to set up something like this? We are well aware of the moral issues surrounding this activity, and are very safe and consensual players. What techniques would you recommend what equipment, etc. We are not rich by any stretch of the imagination, so it would have to be relatively low cost.

Zack

by **zapnosis** » February 17th, 2011, 6:12 pm

Ah, a man after my own heart! Were you thinking of audio brainwashing or using visuals as well, e.g via a computer monitor?

by **DsCowboy** » February 18th, 2011, 10:20 pm

Both, actually. Perhaps starting with something as simple as a moving spiral. I've also thought of utilizing virtual hypnosis, but that is something that I've got to explore a whole lot more.

Any ideas you might have please throw them at me.

Zack

by **newtothisiam** » February 18th, 2011, 11:53 pm

Sounds like a very fun place to go, fantasy ridden or not. :)

by **zapnosis** » February 19th, 2011, 1:59 pm

Obviously I'm only suggesting this for the purposes of role-play, I accept no responsibility for anyone actually doing this. Do not underestimate brainwashing techniques, conditioning can be very powerful!

I would suggest a chair with straps to secure the arms, legs and if possible the head safely. Also good padded headphones, secured to the head if you can.

One idea would be to play a hypnofile to a spiral on a computer screen, but you might want to use frequencies instead of spirals. The brain operates on different frequencies which affect mood and state of mind. When your mind is buzzing with 100 different thoughts, that's a high frequency. When the mind is groggy, that's a low frequency. Trance is a very low frequency and sleep is the lowest. By surrounding someone with stimuli pulsing at a certain frequency, you can affect the speed that the mind is working at. Your brainwashing room sounds ideal for this.

I would recommend a frequency between 3 and 6 Hz for this (Hz being beats per second for the non-scientific). In a dark room, exposed only to light and sound pulsing at a fixed frequency in that range, a sub might find it very hard to think clearly after a few minutes. Obviously, with a computer, light and sound can contain messages, instructions, statements for the sub to absorb. Even with very simple and direct statements, the sub could easily get to a stage where they "think" the statement before they fully understand it. This results in a game of catch-up which the sub cannot win. It is an intense experience and can have lasting effects.

To get pulsing messages on your computer, there are probably a variety of programs that you can use. One in particular, subviewer, appears to have been custom designed for conditioning. This program is not to be confused with the subtitles program of the same name, and seems to be available for free, under the name of jsubviewer, from here:
http://wareseeker.com/free-subviewer-presets/
though I got my copy from one of the several subviewer yahoo groups.
(edit: downloading from the yahoo group is recommended, details below)

Subviewer flashes image files on the screen at a frequency chosen by the user. It can also play an mp3 file at the same time. The images, sequence, frequency and length of session are all programmed into a "preset" which is saved on your hard drive, so you can go from one session to a completely different session with no fiddling about. So you could create a preset with 100 images in order, an mp3 file to play at the same time, to run at 180 images per minute (3hz), looping for 30 minutes and have this ready to go at any time.

To create a basic pulsing light and tone, create an image the size of your screen that is all white and another that is all black. Get Audacity (from download.com), generate a tone and use the tremolo effect to make it pulse at, say, 4hz, wetness 100, save as mp3. Create a subviewer preset with your two images, 240 images per minute (4hz) and add your mp3 file. Save. Run. As long as the image freq and the sound pulse freq are the same it should work very well. Probably quite a learning curve, but once you know how to do it you can knock something like this out in a few minutes.

From there you can add messages, photos and graphics to your images, record verbal instructions for your mp3 file, whatever you like. As long as it is all pulsing at the same low frequency it should be effective.

Or you can just use a spiral and a hypnofile.

Sorry for the long, and probably very boring, post. I get excited. hope this was useful. Let me know what you do!
Good luck,
ZAP

by **darkenedav** » February 19th, 2011, 3:54 pm

zapnosis wrote:Sorry for the long, and probably very boring, post. I get excited. hope this was useful. Let me know what you do!
Good luck,
ZAP

It was epic reading Zap! From a random peep; Thanks!

by **zapnosis** » February 20th, 2011, 8:45 am

darkenedav, you are very kind. :)

by **DsCowboy** » February 21st, 2011, 9:33 pm

I have to agree, there was nothing boring about that. It was utterly fascinating and extremely helpful.

What about the addition of physical stimuli I.E. a vibrator/plug?

Zack

by **zapnosis** » February 22nd, 2011, 3:56 am

Glad to help. I wish I had such a room to play with!

As to physical stimuli, I'm not sure as most of my experiments have been conducted via mp3. It could add greatly to the effect, or it could be a distraction. Try it and see!

Website · by **AFA** » February 23rd, 2011, 10:19 pm

I noticed that you couldn't edit with that program so I began searching for something for that and I found 4 file packs along with A group that zapnosis was kind enough to link me to.

Here is the Yahoo group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Subviewer3/

And here are the file Packs:
http://rapidshare.com/files/390640775/SubViewer.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/390672554/presets_1rar.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/391548501/preset_2.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/392052544/Preset_3rar.rar

by **zapnosis** » February 24th, 2011, 4:24 am

AFA wrote:
Here is the Yahoo group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Subviewer3/

From the files section you can get subviewer v0.5.6. When you install that you get the preset maker in the same start menu folder. You may have to swap out a .dll file - I have done this on at least 2 computers now and never had a problem with it.

Most of the presets that I have seen on the internet are for sissies and are put together with great enthusiasm and little understanding of mind control techniques. But fun, all the same.

Website · by **AFA** » February 24th, 2011, 5:44 am

zapnosis wrote: Most of the presets that I have seen on the internet are for sissies and are put together with great enthusiasm and little understanding of mind control techniques. But fun, all the same.

Indeed, although it seems in general there is a tun of stuff out there for sissiefication or Feminization in regards to hypnosis. It's a matter of wadding through all that to get what you really want. In any case there are a couple fun ones out there but for the most part you are right that they have very little understanding of mind control techniques it seems.

by **stan** » February 24th, 2011, 2:31 pm

i would consider going down the route of using a Light and Sound machine.

You can get them with a number of programs and technology to either respond to your audio or that can be controlled by specific embedded audio signals.

if you can comfortably restrain the person to limit body and specifically head movement you can just place the goggles of the L&S machine on their head.

As for the brainwash fantasy..

With a few preset PHS so that the sedatives are kicking after you press the (geeky star trek reference) hypospray to their neck. They relax in the lights .. you could just play the windows screen saver and get the same mental effect from a good subject :P

In fact I might just do that suggesting that they will feel and see the most compelling brainwashing audio, images and sensations that they can .. then find out what that was for round #2 :-p

Makes for a nice interrogation scene interlude.

by **boulder** » March 3rd, 2011, 6:30 pm

Some basic standbies for brainwashing. Be wary because it is used to "break" prisoners and brainwash cult members. Reduce protein and caloric intake of subject. Protein is bad for brainwashing. Then use sleep deprivation and isolatiaon. All contact is from you all good things are from you any ideas that are against what you are programming results in more sleep deprivation/isolation.

I have never participated in this but have read up on such interesting topics. Good luck.

by **bandler** » April 20th, 2011, 9:13 pm

DsCowboy wrote:While I am aware that the majority of the effectiveness and practicality of brainwashing lies within the realm of erotic stories and fantasies, my (lifestyle) sister and I have discussed setting up a 'brainwashing chamber'.

She has a secluded cubby hole in her house that is relatively sound proofed and quite intimate. We both are somewhat experienced with hypnosis and BDSM and our submissives love mental play and conditioning.

So my question is what would one need to set up something like this? We are well aware of the moral issues surrounding this activity, and are very safe and consensual players. What techniques would you recommend what equipment, etc. We are not rich by any stretch of the imagination, so it would have to be relatively low cost.

Zack

If you really want to know about brainwashing, google CIA, MK-ULTRA, and Coercion chart. Then follow the yellow brick road.

by **missypuss** » May 27th, 2011, 2:36 pm

I like this topic - particularly the very long response from Zap ... :twisted:
Id certainly like to try that room out.

by **strictausmstr** » May 29th, 2011, 7:21 pm

for a suggestible person the initially most effective style of room - in my view - is one which deprives all the senses

The removal of sight and sound and touch of unfamiliar things in particular in a warm and comfortable environment will leave a subject open and suggestible.

If then basic sound tracks are introduced accompanied by whatever trance track you may choose I would suggest that you can then "wash" a subject's brain readily. A good induction and then a soothing self supporting message and deepener and voila... one subject ready for washing

I am sure the high tech approach works readily but I have always found the more basic sensory deprivation opens the subjects receptiveness

by **zapnosis** » August 17th, 2011, 4:48 pm

Any success stories, Cowboy? I'd love to hear what you have made of this! Please do PM me if you prefer.

Regards
ZAP

by **Jazzmine** » August 23rd, 2011, 3:15 pm

I'd love to hear how it went!

With that idea and Zap's great suggestions and info, I'm finding myself interested in doing something like that. I have a small closet that doesn't get used. Perfect size for a bondage chair and a monitor.

by **alsowlndo** » July 21st, 2013, 10:37 pm

I know this is an old post, but does anyone happen to have those Subviewer presets? Rapidshare seems to have lost them, and that Yahoo group is full of spam. Thanks in advance :)

by **HypnoDiaperSlave** » October 9th, 2013, 3:54 pm

Anyone got any of the subviewer presets?

by **zapnosis** » July 8th, 2014, 5:27 pm

On the subject of Subviewer, I recently blew the dust off my copy to do some training. I have created a short preset on the subject of orgasm control, partly for play and partly to improve my lifestyle. I'm almost shocked how easy it is for me to keep my attention on something so repetitive! The preset lasts about 12 seconds and when I ran it earlier I just got lost in it until I reluctantly decided that I should get on with my day... 30 minutes later. Ouch!

Anyone else been having fun with this?
Z

by **BobbyS** » August 6th, 2014, 11:37 am

Zap, you HAVE to share that preset!

This is becoming one of the most fascinating WMM threads in a long time!

by **zapnosis** » August 7th, 2014, 4:47 am

I could package it up into a zip, but I'm not sure where I would upload it. It was actually really simple to make, it's all in the frequencies I reckon. I used my FREEFALL file as the sound and found some erotic but encouraging images. I alternated the erotic images with "blank screen" images containing very simple, very brief messages. The file has a 2Hz pulse on it, I set the images for 4Hz (250 milliseconds) so that you would get one erotic image and one message for every beat of the file. Bosh. Truth be told, I'm not going to upload the one I used since it contained some personal stuff, but I could tweak it for public use. I'm not planning to upload to WMM since it's not all my own work i.e. it contains images that I might, technically, not have the right to distribute. Site rules and all that.

Since my half-hour session, I've done a few more versions of the preset. I set myself scheduled orgasm times and conditions. At one point I tried a bet to get an earlier orgasm. I lost. The forfeit was a 2 hour session... that was pretty intense. Soon afterward I went 4 days without (for me that's eternity) just because I wanted to. Then the bubble kind of burst, so to speak. I'm back at the drawing board...

Z

by **HornyDude** » August 7th, 2014, 11:39 am

[quote="zapnosis"]I could package it up into a zip, but I'm not sure where I would upload it. It was actually really simple to make, it's all in the frequencies I reckon. I used my FREEFALL file as the sound and found some erotic but encouraging images. I alternated the erotic images with "blank screen" images containing very simple, very brief messages. The file has a 2Hz pulse on it, I set the images for 4Hz (250 milliseconds) so that you would get one erotic image and one message for every beat of the file. Bosh. Truth be told, I'm not going to upload the one I used since it contained some personal stuff, but I could tweak it for public use. I'm not planning to upload to WMM since it's not all my own work i.e. it contains images that I might, technically, not have the right to distribute. Site rules and all that.

Z[/quote]

You might upload a zip file to FileFactory.com. You can share the link on a forum posting or PM. You can also delete the file from FileFactory at any time.

Here is a link to my presets specifically for ViVe's Dumbing Down files 6 and 6b that I posted on the Jocks Forum. All of the eye candy is for Gay Men and the eye candy for 6b is x-rated for Porn Addiction. The audio files are NOT included in the zip. Download both 6 and 6b from WarpMyMind or ViVeHypnosis.de. Copy the files to the Subviewer directory and rename them Dum_6.mp3 and Dum_6b.mp3.

The subliminal texts are "I'm Horny and Dumb and Happy and Blissful", "Aroused", and "Play with yourself". The texts are displayed one word at a time. http://www.spritzinc.com

The download is about 48 Mbytes.
** Link deleted **

I have NOT tried to link the frequency of the images (140 ms for eye candy and 70 ms for messages) to the audio file. Linking them opens up all sorts of possibilities! I hope you can share an example of your technique.

BY way of warning, ViVe's Dumbing Down series has exactly the opposite goal of any orgasm control.

by **LordIceWing** » August 7th, 2014, 9:04 pm

I'd be interested in seeing, well, understanding anyway, what you guys did... (As a straight guy, with a straight female slavewife, gay porn imagery doesn't really interest us, but female slavebondage imagery might be good)

I tried to join the subviewer yahoo group, but haven't been accepted yet.

by **zapnosis** » August 9th, 2014, 3:17 am

I suppose I should mention that the erotic images I chose were all of women, with a slight femdom flavour, since that's how I like it.

Z

by **HornyDude** » August 9th, 2014, 10:04 pm

I think that the previous two posts illustrate the main problem in posting or otherwise sharing subviewer presets. It is easy for me to load one with erotic images for myself or for someone I know well. But it really restricts the size of the target audience when the real intent is to 'sell' the audio and text.

Here is one possible solution to the problem:

1. The preset is constructed around a specific audio track, text messages, and erotic images.

2. I would either create a preset or download a preset based on the audio track and messages, possibly to check out a new technique or refinement. With the wrong erotic images it is guaranteed to fail, with the right ones there is a chance for success.

3. With planning it is easy to construct a preset with the expectation that users will want to provide their own erotic images.
a. One of the presets I posted (for ViVe's dumbing down #6) meets that criteria.
b. The eye candy files are sequential: dj0001.jpg thru dj0306.jpg.
c. Each eye candy jpg is displayed in numerical order, twice, and followed by a text jpg.
d. There are 18 text jpgs: blank, I'm, horny, and, dumb, and, happy, and, blissful, blank, blank, aroused, blank, blank, play, with, yourself, blank.
e. So the first 54 images (3x18) will display a complete sequence of erotic images and text.
f. Take 18 erotic images and use a file manager to rename them dj0001.jpg thru dj0018.jpg. (I like FreeCommander, but there are many available.)
g. Copy them into the preset directory to overwrite my default images, and set subviewer to play 54 images.
h. Additional images can be added in groups of 18.

The other preset (for ViVe's dumbing down #6b) is NOT set up for easy substitution. The erotic images are drawn from 4 or 5 different sets with different base names and not in a regular numerical sequence. So as it stands, that one would be really difficult to modify (bulk renaming of files would not work). However, it would be no additional work when creating it to avoid the problem and yet retain the underlying structure.