The forced gay success thread...

[Alien4420]

[quote="litebrite":bc78148/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i]So first of all let me say hi to everyone as I'm a pretty new member here but I've read this thread with great interest. Hopefully this isn't the wrong place to ask this (if it is.....sorry! don't mean to offend) I was wondering if anyone knew of any resources focusing on the attraction aspect to another man and helping to accept your homosexual feelings/leanings whatever you wanna call it. It seems like a lot of people have seen results with the forced gay file, but the thing is I'm a little unsure as it seems to take a little negative or pushed into it kind of vibe (at least from reading all the comments) I already know I have gay tendencies but am struggling with fully accepting them as opposed to going back and forth yo-yo style :) Anyway any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks![/quote:bc78148/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i]

Yeah, it's very effective and it does make you happy about being gay, even if you were straight like me, but it definitely has some negative vibes and suggestions that are cool in a curse file but not really appropriate if you aren't looking for a curse, like stuff about feeling bad that you can no longer do it with women or not being good enough for them.

I made a "forced gay lite" version which doesn't have the stuff about not liking women, but it still has some negative stuff so I don't think it would be ideal for someone who just wants to feel more comfortable with his sexuality.

It seems to me that a "gay acceptance" file would be great, not necessarily something that creates/increases attraction to men, CFG and TrainSexMen already do that, but rather something that makes you happy with and accepting of your sexuality. I've tried listening to Freedom from Mental Bondage a couple of times, it's on hypnofiles.com, but it wasn't really made to address this specific problem and it didn't seem to have much of an effect on me. It might be more useful for gay guys who had to deal with crap from their families.

[Alien4420]

[quote="cisvestite"]Have you ever read "Quarantine" by Greg Egan? If not, you should.[/quote]

I just read the description Amazon and it looks good . . .

[Alien4420]

[quote="Jeshi":8fd3dd/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i1]

Not to mention the 5% number is based on people being OUT.
It might go up if nobody has the urge to lie about being gay.

But it's not really enough to cause THE END OF THE WORLD =P[/quote:8fd3dd/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i1]

Guys have an amazing ability to delude themselves about not being gay. Like a few days ago I read a post by someone who said "I get really turned on by the sight of cocks, but I'm not at all gay."

I'd laugh, but it's all too typical. Kinsey knew about that, he learned early on that if he asked guys if they'd ever had a gay experience they'd say no but if he asked them if they'd ever done such-and-such with men they'd say yes, but that wasn't gay, I was on top or something like that. I think it's why his number are higher than those of later researchers even when they're corrected for selection bias (his samples weren't random).

I think there's also something kind of silly about the way we classify people as either or, a lot of guys are at least a little bit bi even though most people prefer one or the other. And the latest research says that women are equally aroused by both sexes.

[hypnostudent]

[quote="kaiser"]I had suggested an "attraction to men" file on the voting page, but it was removed or voted down. There is currently one, but it focuses on feminization as part of the file. I just wanted a file that would increase a persons attraction for men. Thereby allowing them to feel more comfortable toward them. It would also help gay men, in my minds eye, having longer relationships because they would have feelings for each other. Rather than, wham, bam, thank you mam. Then again we are getting of subject aren't we?[/quote]

what about doing a live session or two for that aim Kaiser ?

[Alien4420]

[quote="stereoxchild":3/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i36f8cf]An update on my front:

I still stayed clear of all hypnosis files, although interest rises when boredom strikes. Been having lots of contrasting feelings lately between masculinity, femininity & homosexuality. Sometimes I feel interested in one way, a day later the other way..
The fem/gay feelings seem to hit me when I feel kind of 'weak' emotionally. You know, when you're up late at night alone behind your pc. So they still don't feel 'right' to me.
Also had a gay fantasy about one of my friends this week. He gets many girls all the time and told me about it and at night I felt kind of hot how he attracted all these girls and I fantasised I sucked his cock. I gave in to this thought and masturbated to it. It felt kind of feminine following the 'girls are attracted to boys that get many girls' idea. It was not that I'm sexually attracted to him in person, I was more attracted to the fact that he for some reason gets girls to submit pretty easily to him. And the more girls he gets, the more girls seem to get attracted to him. It felt like some sort of dominating power making me submit as well.
Felt a bit awkward when I saw him again the other day though. Also felt kind of bad because it's the first time I gave in to this kind of submissive fantasy in one year.
Also made me doubt my sexuality again, although I go crazy as hell over all these girls walking in the city these days when the weather is hot.
So: mixed feelings. ;)[/quote:3/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i36f8cf]

I know what you mean. I tried some more experiments to try to switch back, made a "forced gay lite" file without the stuff about not being able to do it with women and a "forced straight lite" file without the stuff about not being able to do it with men, and actually had some success, the files didn't conflict with one another horribly the way the original versions had and I was actually able to get off on some female porn for the first time in a month. In fact, for a moment I was feeling totally bi, which I think would be really cool.

Curiously though after this I stopped listening to *any* files, for some reason I didn't want to listen to forced straight lite anymore and didn't feel like listening to forced gay or forced gay lite. That was several days ago. Since then, I haven't been able to get turned on by pictures of women. With men, it's like I'm fighting it, and then eventually I give in and then it all comes rushing back and I'm totally gay.

Another weird thing -- I finally stopped feeling any effects from stroke sissy, but then last night I woke up totally swishy, I could have starred in Pirates of the Caribbean, LOL, I've never been like that. And today that's gone away, but my writing is really swishy, I keep wanting to write "like totally" and stuff like that.

Final weird thing -- yesterday I started having this fun hetero fantasy, I was imagining that I had a GF and she made me wear a chastity belt so I couldn't cheat on her and getting really horny, but then that night when I looked at some porn I still couldn't get into it at all. And I keep thinking about women and relationships again today but the moment I think about actually having sex with them I lose all interest.

Life is interesting, it's like part of me wants to be gay and part of me wants to be straight, and neither of them is going to give up without a fight . . .

[MYTY90]

I have to say i listened to it a while back but got caught up in listening to CSS. and the effects wore off but im going to start again.

[Alien4420]

[quote="MYTY9/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i":7/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i714d6/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i]I have to say i listened to it a while back but got caught up in listening to CSS. and the effects wore off but im going to start again.[/quote:7/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i714d6/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i]

I read your journal several times over after I started listening to CFG, LOL. I actually didn't read any of the posts here until after I'd listened to it and when I started reading about how well it worked it was like OMG . . .

Is your friend still gay?

[davelowe1977]

[quote="Alien442/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i"]
I'd laugh, but it's all too typical. Kinsey knew about that, he learned early on that if he asked guys if they'd ever had a gay experience they'd say no but if he asked them if they'd ever done such-and-such with men.[/quote]

Kinsey is still the key reference for human sexual behaviour in my opinion. The copy I have of Sexual Behaviour in the Human Female, is one of my favourites. Albeit from 1963.

[ftslave67]

[/quote]
Curiously though after this I stopped listening to *any* files, for some reason I didn't want to listen to forced straight lite anymore and didn't feel like listening to forced gay or forced gay lite. That was several days ago. Since then, I haven't been able to get turned on by pictures of women. With men, it's like I'm fighting it, and then eventually I give in and then it all comes rushing back and I'm totally gay.

Another weird thing -- I finally stopped feeling any effects from stroke sissy, but then last night I woke up totally swishy, I could have starred in Pirates of the Caribbean, LOL, I've never been like that. And today that's gone away, but my writing is really swishy, I keep wanting to write "like totally" and stuff like that.

Final weird thing -- yesterday I started having this fun hetero fantasy, I was imagining that I had a GF and she made me wear a chastity belt so I couldn't cheat on her and getting really horny, but then that night when I looked at some porn I still couldn't get into it at all. And I keep thinking about women and relationships again today but the moment I think about actually having sex with them I lose all interest.

Life is interesting, it's like part of me wants to be gay and part of me wants to be straight, and neither of them is going to give up without a fight . . .[/quote]

That's hot!

[ftslave67]

[quote="stereoxchild"]An update on my front:

I still stayed clear of all hypnosis files, although interest rises when boredom strikes. Been having lots of contrasting feelings lately between masculinity, femininity & homosexuality. Sometimes I feel interested in one way, a day later the other way..
The fem/gay feelings seem to hit me when I feel kind of 'weak' emotionally. You know, when you're up late at night alone behind your pc. So they still don't feel 'right' to me.
Also had a gay fantasy about one of my friends this week. He gets many girls all the time and told me about it and at night I felt kind of hot how he attracted all these girls and I fantasised I sucked his cock. I gave in to this thought and masturbated to it. It felt kind of feminine following the 'girls are attracted to boys that get many girls' idea. It was not that I'm sexually attracted to him in person, I was more attracted to the fact that he for some reason gets girls to submit pretty easily to him. And the more girls he gets, the more girls seem to get attracted to him. It felt like some sort of dominating power making me submit as well.
Felt a bit awkward when I saw him again the other day though. Also felt kind of bad because it's the first time I gave in to this kind of submissive fantasy in one year.
Also made me doubt my sexuality again, although I go crazy as hell over all these girls walking in the city these days when the weather is hot.
So: mixed feelings. ;)[/quote]

Hmmm, sexual magnetism--interesting. Do you think your friend could be giving you signals? If he did demand that you service him, would you be able to resist? Would you want to?

[Jeshi]

I think somebody should make a file that would raise attraction to men and decreased attraction to women(A make gay file) but never actually imply that the subject ever DID like women, rather then "You no longer find women attractive" it would be "You Don't find women attractive" and rather then "You are starting to find men attractive" it would be "You find men attractive"

This way it could be used to turn somebody gay but ALSO work to help a closeted man be more accepting of himself.


Because Curse forced gay is really negative about being gay.
This file would be really positive about it.

An "It's Okay to be gay BTW you're gay" file.

[ftslave67]

Jeshi,

I'm working on such a file. Could you send me (PM) any other suggestions you might have? I have in mind just a little bit of "kink", to make it interesting. I don't want to spoil the surprise, however.

Thanks

[Alien4420]

[quote="ftslave67":5d5278/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i2]

That's hot![/quote:5d5278/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i2]

:-)

And frustrating

[MYTY90]

[quote="Alien442/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i":/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i24/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i555b][quote="MYTY9/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i":/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i24/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i555b]I have to say i listened to it a while back but got caught up in listening to CSS. and the effects wore off but im going to start again.[/quote:/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i24/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i555b]

I read your journal several times over after I started listening to CFG, LOL. I actually didn't read any of the posts here until after I'd listened to it and when I started reading about how well it worked it was like OMG . . .

Is your friend still gay?[/quote:/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i24/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i555b]

No he's Bi now he listened to CFG to be a good friend...he like being bI and fem

[Alien4420]

[quote="MYTY9/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i"]

No he's Bi now he listened to CFG to be a good friend...he like being bI and fem[/quote]

What a great friend. I tried to mention it to a friend whose kinks are similar to mine, but he freaked out completely, knowing him it's because the idea tempted him too much.

I'd love to be bi. Love to be fem, too, but I just can't see it working now that I'm middle aged so I'm doing my best to ignore stroke sissy. How long did you end up listening to CFG? And how long afterwards did it start to wear off? I can't get off while looking at pictures of women anymore, after listening to Forced Straight sometimes I'll start off hot but then I lose interest and have to look at guys to come. I'm still wondering how I'm going to end up, am I going to be one of those guys who freaks out then gradually accepts it or am I going to be one of the ones who goes back to being straight with maybe some gay interest on the side?

[litebrite]

[quote="Jeshi":bf3e9/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/if3]I think somebody should make a file that would raise attraction to men and decreased attraction to women(A make gay file) but never actually imply that the subject ever DID like women, rather then "You no longer find women attractive" it would be "You Don't find women attractive" and rather then "You are starting to find men attractive" it would be "You find men attractive"

This way it could be used to turn somebody gay but ALSO work to help a closeted man be more accepting of himself.


Because Curse forced gay is really negative about being gay.
This file would be really positive about it.

An "It's Okay to be gay BTW you're gay" file.[/quote:bf3e9/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/if3]

Yeah, that does sound like a good idea. I'd sure be interested in a file like that anyway.

[stereoxchild]

[quote="ftslave67"]
Hmmm, sexual magnetism--interesting. Do you think your friend could be giving you signals? If he did demand that you service him, would you be able to resist? Would you want to?[/quote]

Well, when I was sharing the afternoon with him and he told me his stories, I didn't really had any of those feelings. Not really concious anyway. But in the evening when I was back home, I noticed I was pretty horny for some reason and I suddenly started to think of him & his stories and that really turned me on. So I don't know. All of our friends have been wondering what his trick is with the ladies, he's just really good at it. So he probably has 'something' about him.
Anyways, IF he demanded me.. It would probably get very awkward and I wouldn't know what to do.. I'd probably start laughing and uncomfortably try to avoid the situation. But if he kept insisting I guess there could be a chance I would have done it yes..
When I saw him the day after though, I did felt a bit awkward about having these fantasies. And I noticed he acted a bit awkward around me as well. But maybe that's just my mind playing tricks on me. One of our friends was also a bit joking about 'us two spending the afternoon together'. So yeah, bit weird.

[quote="Alien442/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i"]I'm still wondering how I'm going to end up, am I going to be one of those guys who freaks out then gradually accepts it or am I going to be one of the ones who goes back to being straight with maybe some gay interest on the side?[/quote]

Well, since I have been listening for about 3 years to loads of fem/sissy/femdom and then stopped for a year, i think it could be similar to my situation right now if you would stop. You get back to your old state, but you will always have the memory of what turned you on, what you did, why it turned you on, the conflicting thoughts about it,.. So you would never go back 1/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i% the same as you were before. So I suppose you would go back pretty much straight, but with an ever-lingering gay interest on the side?

[Dave564]

Hello guys, a quick update as I've not been able to get to my computer recently.

Well it's been a while since I started this thread (well over a month I think) - the effects of CFG have been really noticeable the past 2 weeks or so.

Last saturday I met with a random guy from the internet, he had saw my posts and sent me a message, and we were chatting \ sharing photos for about 2 days before I had the courage to meet him.

Well I'm not sure how to put this, but it was just amazing.

He was a really nice polite and understanding guy, and he was true to his word and didn't try anything "funny", we basically sat in his living room and had a really good drink and chat - we probably spoke for about 5 hours, he seemed to totally understand the position I was in and all the questions and uncertainties I've had over the years. Towards the end of our chat where I think he could see me getting a little bit emotional he did put his hand on my arm and start to gently rub my leg, I knew as soon as he did it that I liked it and eventually mid conversation he moved in and interrupted me by kissing me, honestly it was just amazing.. I mean just godly.. I was in another world.. once we finished he'd pull away and I'd carry on chatting then a few minutes later he'd move in again, I probably made out with him about 5 times in total.

I just don't know what the hell is going on with me but I know I loved every minute of it, he had big strong arms, it felt unreal to have his tongue in my mouth, he smelt great when we were close and well it was just amazing - I really don't know what to say - such an incredible experience for me - I left and got the bus at home that night but my head was spinning and has pretty much been spinning since - I've not been able to concentrate at work or anything - we're still in touch as we have each others numbers.

A really amazing experience, I'm still listening to the file - at least twice since Saturday.

[AlanH26]

Dave, all I can think of after that is "WOW"!!!

So do you think you're gay now? Have you had any attraction at all to women, particularly after the other night's experience? Your head must be totally spinning. I hope you continue to enjoy and I'm sure you will!!!

[Dave564]

Alan I just dont know what to say, we're still in touch and yes I want to meet him again, I think (hope) he is up for it.

In the meantime I've just continued with the file, I'm finding it more addictive than ever, I just dont know why but it feels good to listen to and definitely puts my mind at ease when everything is getting too stressful and hectic to think about!

[ftslave67]

Dave, sounds like you have found a keeper :D

Don't worry about taking it too slow--if he's a good guy, he won't push you. If it's meant to be, the two of you will find a way to make it happen.

[Dave564]

Thanks guys, we've agreed to meet again tomorrow night - very excited :)

[ftslave67]

Well, I listened to the file again--just because you all seem to enjoy it so much! I don't think it's going to do much for me, but who knows? I really do enjoy reading all the posts here--you guys are great!

[AlanH26]

How did it go with your new fancy man Dave?

[angelcraves]

this works . What exactly does forced straight do . Does it have any twists ?

[AlanH26]

[quote="angelcraves"]this works . What exactly does forced straight do . Does it have any twists ?[/quote]

I didn't like forced straight. It's supposed to be a curse but it does nowt for me. The voice is very computerised and I can't get close to trancing (though I have problems with that anyway). I don't remember any twist with Forced Straight though it's a while since I've listened to it.

[Alien4420]

[quote="angelcraves"]this works . What exactly does forced straight do . Does it have any twists ?[/quote]

Yeah, I agree with Alan that forced straight isn't all that good. I was able to trance with it though. It has some submissive overtones, makes you want to lick pussy and put the woman's pleasure before your own, which pissed me off when I was listening because I had just wanted to go back to the way I was but then seemed completely cool afterwards. :-) Some guys have used it successfully to change back but if you've listened to forced gay too long, it won't work, at least it didn't for me.

[Alien4420]

[quote="stereoxchild":7/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i21781b]
[quote="Alien442/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i":7/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i21781b]I'm still wondering how I'm going to end up, am I going to be one of those guys who freaks out then gradually accepts it or am I going to be one of the ones who goes back to being straight with maybe some gay interest on the side?[/quote:7/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i21781b]

Well, since I have been listening for about 3 years to loads of fem/sissy/femdom and then stopped for a year, i think it could be similar to my situation right now if you would stop. You get back to your old state, but you will always have the memory of what turned you on, what you did, why it turned you on, the conflicting thoughts about it,.. So you would never go back 1/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i% the same as you were before. So I suppose you would go back pretty much straight, but with an ever-lingering gay interest on the side?[/quote:7/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i21781b]

That's really interesting. How long did it take you to get back to your original state? I listened to CFG for a bit over three months, now it's been close to a month since I last listened and I haven't noticed any changes yet, I still can't get back into women.

[Dave564]

Hi guys, sorry its been almost a week, been so busy with work.

I met him on monday night and all i can say is that it was a life changing experience.

I got to his house at about 8, I went in and we hugged and everything was cool, first thing he did was take me upstairs into his room, told me to lay on his bed - then he got out a big pair of headphones and put them on my head - then I couldn't believe it he played CFG!

He told me to relax and he went downstairs so i laid on his bed listening to it as usual, I was ok with it I still really enjoy the file, when I came out of trance he was sitting on the bed again and straight away we started hugging and kissing - it felt amazing just like last time as we were kissing he unbuttoned my shirt which was really getting me hot and then he took it off completely, at that point he stopped kissing and said that I needed to slip into something more comfortable, he got up and went to his wardrobe - then 5 seconds later came out with a t-shirt on a hangar, it was a really short and tight gay t-shirt, it was white and had a picture of a pop singer on the front, I have to be 100% honest at this point I just suddenly felt really confused and uncomfortable, I have no idea why just got really nervous - honestly I couldn't even breathe properly, he sat next to me and made me calm down, then I put my hands in the air and he slipped the shirt on me - it felt really weird, I've never worn anything so tight that had small sleeves and was cropped at the bottom - he just said it made me look gorgeous and that it really suited me - at that point we carried on kissing and all I can say is I started to feel so hot, I mean uncontrollably hot - it felt so good to be touching him and to have tongues in each others mouths, the shirt was tight i could feel it on me all the time - soon after we moved back downstairs and were making out on the sofas - I've just never felt this way in my life, it felt so gay but in the most out of control way imaginable - he put on some kind of dance music in background and we kissed, touched and wanked pretty much all night long- he also put a little choker around my neck, it was pink - and kind of buttoned up - it wasnt like a collar with a buckle, he just put it around my neck and it snapped into place really quickly it was rubbing on my adams apple - all these things were driving me crazy because I could feel them on me all the time - also the t-shirt started to totally make sense because it gave him easy access to my body, it was so short at the bottom he could easily slip his hand under and rub my nipples and feel me up - honestly it was wild, i've no idea how long it lasted for - I ended up staying around his that night, we slept together but nothing happened, it felt insane waking up next to another man the next morning - we kissed a bit then I had to go to work, he put the t-shirt i was wearing the night before in my bag so it's still round at mine now.

We've sent a few texts about that night this week.

All I can say right now is just wow, fucking wow.

[Alien4420]

Wow, Dave, that's seriously hot!

And I love the collar . . .

[angelcraves]

im screwed
i feel like no sexual arousement
and then the word gay, or some gay thougth and bang!
instant arousal.

[Alien4420]

[quote="angelcraves"]im screwed
i feel like no sexual arousement
and then the word gay, or some gay thougth and bang!
instant arousal.[/quote]

LOL it could be worse sometimes I start having a sexual fantasy about women and get aroused and then when I try to do anything about it I lose all my interest and have to go back to men.

[Euripides]

[quote="Dave564"]All I can say right now is just wow, fucking wow.[/quote]
Very, very hot story.

So... You realize where this is going, right?

Tell us what you think will happen and how you feel about it now.

[Dave564]

Yeah it's been an amazing experience, my mind has been racing all week.

He wants to meet this week and I've already taken him up on his offer, I don't really know where this is going but it turns me on so much, and I don't really think we're doing anything wrong?

I have to admit one night at home I even put the top back on just to see how it felt.

[stereoxchild]

[quote="Alien442/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i"][quote="stereoxchild"]
[quote="Alien442/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i"]I'm still wondering how I'm going to end up, am I going to be one of those guys who freaks out then gradually accepts it or am I going to be one of the ones who goes back to being straight with maybe some gay interest on the side?[/quote]

Well, since I have been listening for about 3 years to loads of fem/sissy/femdom and then stopped for a year, i think it could be similar to my situation right now if you would stop. You get back to your old state, but you will always have the memory of what turned you on, what you did, why it turned you on, the conflicting thoughts about it,.. So you would never go back 1/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i% the same as you were before. So I suppose you would go back pretty much straight, but with an ever-lingering gay interest on the side?[/quote]

That's really interesting. How long did it take you to get back to your original state? I listened to CFG for a bit over three months, now it's been close to a month since I last listened and I haven't noticed any changes yet, I still can't get back into women.[/quote]

Well, I kind off forced myself into stopping these fem/sissy fantasies and started to focus ONLY on more dominating and more typical sexual fantasies. If I seemed to slip back to these submissive fantasies I told myself I could not let this happen and I didn't. These days they sometimes show their heads for short periods of time, but then dissapear again. At this moment I feel no interest in any feminizing at all. The only feminizing fantasie that came up last months was the interest in this gayfile and a certain bicuriosity, but this has faded again.
So what I would suggest is to just stop giving into the gay fantasies and to only allow yourself to get arroused at the thought of women. I believe that you can condition yourself that way, orgasm is the strongest conditioner. It's the same way hypnosis conditioned you in believing that the gayside of your sexual personality is the only correct one.
It's just what you want from your life in the end.

[Jeshi]

[quote="stereoxchild"][quote="Alien442/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i"][quote="stereoxchild"]
[quote="Alien442/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i"]I'm still wondering how I'm going to end up, am I going to be one of those guys who freaks out then gradually accepts it or am I going to be one of the ones who goes back to being straight with maybe some gay interest on the side?[/quote]

Well, since I have been listening for about 3 years to loads of fem/sissy/femdom and then stopped for a year, i think it could be similar to my situation right now if you would stop. You get back to your old state, but you will always have the memory of what turned you on, what you did, why it turned you on, the conflicting thoughts about it,.. So you would never go back 1/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i% the same as you were before. So I suppose you would go back pretty much straight, but with an ever-lingering gay interest on the side?[/quote]

That's really interesting. How long did it take you to get back to your original state? I listened to CFG for a bit over three months, now it's been close to a month since I last listened and I haven't noticed any changes yet, I still can't get back into women.[/quote]

Well, I kind off forced myself into stopping these fem/sissy fantasies and started to focus ONLY on more dominating and more typical sexual fantasies. If I seemed to slip back to these submissive fantasies I told myself I could not let this happen and I didn't. These days they sometimes show their heads for short periods of time, but then dissapear again. At this moment I feel no interest in any feminizing at all. The only feminizing fantasie that came up last months was the interest in this gayfile and a certain bicuriosity, but this has faded again.
So what I would suggest is to just stop giving into the gay fantasies and to only allow yourself to get arroused at the thought of women. I believe that you can condition yourself that way, orgasm is the strongest conditioner. It's the same way hypnosis conditioned you in believing that the gayside of your sexual personality is the only correct one.
It's just what you want from your life in the end.[/quote]

Jeez, somebody is a serious closet case setting them self up for physiological damage.

Induced by hypnosis or not if you keep doing stuff like that you're going to hurt yourself.

If you're Bisexual then your Bisexual, let yourself be Bisexual, and then just be really judgmental of every guy you meet if you don't want to be with men, if you get really picky about men then you'll only be with woman, whether or not you're also attracted to men or not.

Hey, Girls LIKE Bisexual men! Some guys LIE about it in order to get girls{And those guys are assholes}.

[cisvestite]

[quote="Alien442/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i"][quote="cisvestite"]Have you ever read "Quarantine" by Greg Egan? If not, you should.[/quote]

I just read the description Amazon and it looks good . . .[/quote]

It's a worthwhile book. What it might not mention in the description is that they live in a world where people can modify their brains, or have them modified, in a very targeted manner, and that these modifications are important for the main character. Most of the books by this author explore this theme somewhat, and although this isn't my favorite of his books, I think it uses this in an interesting way.

[stereoxchild]

[quote="Jeshi":33b/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/id/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i9e]
Jeez, somebody is a serious closet case setting them self up for physiological damage.

Induced by hypnosis or not if you keep doing stuff like that you're going to hurt yourself.

If you're Bisexual then your Bisexual, let yourself be Bisexual, and then just be really judgmental of every guy you meet if you don't want to be with men, if you get really picky about men then you'll only be with woman, whether or not you're also attracted to men or not.

Hey, Girls LIKE Bisexual men! Some guys LIE about it in order to get girls{And those guys are assholes}.[/quote:33b/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/id/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i9e]

Yeah yeah, what's the difference between sexually programming yourself with an online hypnosis MP3 into liking men or whatever and doing it without hypnosis? If hypnosis (made by some guy you don't know) can control you, than you for sure can control yourself sexually as well.
And why is it wrong to reinforce a certain existing attitude (in this case: straight) and not wrong to encourage a new attitude (feminizing, gay,..)?

[Alien4420]

[quote="stereoxchild"]

Well, I kind off forced myself into stopping these fem/sissy fantasies and started to focus ONLY on more dominating and more typical sexual fantasies. If I seemed to slip back to these submissive fantasies I told myself I could not let this happen and I didn't. These days they sometimes show their heads for short periods of time, but then dissapear again. At this moment I feel no interest in any feminizing at all. The only feminizing fantasie that came up last months was the interest in this gayfile and a certain bicuriosity, but this has faded again.
So what I would suggest is to just stop giving into the gay fantasies and to only allow yourself to get arroused at the thought of women. I believe that you can condition yourself that way, orgasm is the strongest conditioner. It's the same way hypnosis conditioned you in believing that the gayside of your sexual personality is the only correct one.
It's just what you want from your life in the end.[/quote]

I did something like that with stroke sissy and it seems to have gone back to sleep, but I've only listened to that a few times. But I can't stay interested in women long enough to get an orgasm anymore, so if I try I just get frustrated and end up looking at men instead.

And between the file conflicts and not really wanting to do it on some level, I haven't been able to change back with hypnosis. I thought it might start to wear off if I didn't listen, and reading your post the other day reinforced that, but what seems to be happening instead is that the positive reinforcement of my sex drive is keeping the effects alive and every day I look at guys on the street, hang out on gay chat groups, etc. without the file in the background I feel gayer . . .

[stereoxchild]

[quote="Alien442/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i":41b8/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/ie6d][quote="stereoxchild":41b8/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/ie6d]

Well, I kind off forced myself into stopping these fem/sissy fantasies and started to focus ONLY on more dominating and more typical sexual fantasies. If I seemed to slip back to these submissive fantasies I told myself I could not let this happen and I didn't. These days they sometimes show their heads for short periods of time, but then dissapear again. At this moment I feel no interest in any feminizing at all. The only feminizing fantasie that came up last months was the interest in this gayfile and a certain bicuriosity, but this has faded again.
So what I would suggest is to just stop giving into the gay fantasies and to only allow yourself to get arroused at the thought of women. I believe that you can condition yourself that way, orgasm is the strongest conditioner. It's the same way hypnosis conditioned you in believing that the gayside of your sexual personality is the only correct one.
It's just what you want from your life in the end.[/quote:41b8/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/ie6d]

I did something like that with stroke sissy and it seems to have gone back to sleep, but I've only listened to that a few times. But I can't stay interested in women long enough to get an orgasm anymore, so if I try I just get frustrated and end up looking at men instead.

And between the file conflicts and not really wanting to do it on some level, I haven't been able to change back with hypnosis. I thought it might start to wear off if I didn't listen, and reading your post the other day reinforced that, but what seems to be happening instead is that the positive reinforcement of my sex drive is keeping the effects alive and every day I look at guys on the street, hang out on gay chat groups, etc. without the file in the background I feel gayer . . .[/quote:41b8/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/ie6d]

When was the last time you had sex with a woman? I just mean that that could also be a reason why the effects/feelings slipped in the background with me. I practicly lived together with my gf for 7-8 months, so we had sex every day or at least several times a week. The feelings only came back when I was alone for a week and only had the pleasure to masturbate. Then I start seeking other stuff than the regular sexual impulses because after a few times I just get bored with that and THEN I go search for more exciting sexual impulses and that's when the old options arise. And that's also why I searched new 'extremes' to replace the old submissive thoughts. So it became the more dominating impulses, they were new AND exciting AND they seemed to have a positive effect on my attraction with women (what the sissification/feminization did not do).
It's in the end something that makes your life more exciting and I only seem to get tempted into these old habbits again when I'm bored at home or have a low sexlife.

[Alien4420]

[quote="stereoxchild"]

When was the last time you had sex with a woman? I just mean that that could also be a reason why the effects/feelings slipped in the background with me. I practicly lived together with my gf for 7-8 months, so we had sex every day or at least several times a week. The feelings only came back when I was alone for a week and only had the pleasure to masturbate. Then I start seeking other stuff than the regular sexual impulses because after a few times I just get bored with that and THEN I go search for more exciting sexual impulses and that's when the old options arise. And that's also why I searched new 'extremes' to replace the old submissive thoughts. So it became the more dominating impulses, they were new AND exciting AND they seemed to have a positive effect on my attraction with women (what the sissification/feminization did not do).
It's in the end something that makes your life more exciting and I only seem to get tempted into these old habbits again when I'm bored at home or have a low sexlife.[/quote]

That's really interesting. Bored at home and a low sex life describes me very well right now since I'm in the boondocks visiting family and have no social life here. Until you mentioned it, I hadn't even thought about what would happen if I met a woman I liked . . . I'm wondering if I would be too freaked out by the fear that I couldn't perform in bed. I have wondered what will happen when I go back to the city, I'm so attracted to guys at this point that I have the feeling I'll hook up with one the way I almost did in that chance encounter I had in the doctor's office. Whereas I've lost most of that sexual attraction to women I see, I'll maybe experience some preliminary interest -- happened to me this morning -- but then it goes away. So I've sort of been thinking that if I'm going to change back I have to do it *before* I get back, because if I'm in a relationship with a guy I assume I won't want to.

Being more dominant seems like a good idea, there are always more subs than doms and I've always had a dominant side . . . I think one of the things that CFG has taught me is that I can be just about anything I want sexually, at least in principle. But I think I'd have to get past my current sexual impulses to do that, both my natural ones and the ones that came from these files and the others I've listened to (Mind Mistress, Seductra, etc.) I'm thinking at this point that my best chance is to go for something extra rather than trying to rid myself of what's already there, because at this point that feels like I'd be giving up everything that turns me on . . . e.g., trying to be bi rather than going back to straight. I made a "forced straight lite" script without the suggestions that conflict with forced gay, but then I only listened to it once.

[Alien4420]

[quote="cisvestite"]
It's a worthwhile book. What it might not mention in the description is that they live in a world where people can modify their brains, or have them modified, in a very targeted manner, and that these modifications are important for the main character. Most of the books by this author explore this theme somewhat, and although this isn't my favorite of his books, I think it uses this in an interesting way.[/quote]

LOL, sounds very appropriate. I'd order it from Amazon but I can't think of any other books I need right now (big stack of them waiting to be read) . . .

[ftslave67]

Dave--that's great! Sounds like the guy is really into you & willing to play along with your fantasies/desires. Enjoy it. I agree that it sounds totallly hot!

[ftslave67]

Stereoxchild--maybe it was just a "phase" for you or experimentation or a passing fancy. As long as you're happy, that's great. I hope you understand that some of us are more hardwired, and that's not necessarily a bad thing--just different. I'm all for people being whatever they want to be, be it gay, straight or purple :D

[Dave564]

ftslave67, thanks a lot for your comments.

Yeah it's really exciting stuff, lots of learning and experimentation for me - but there's something really unpredictable and exciting about it all, never know what's going to happen next.

It's hard to tell what's happening to me, sometimes I think about women and can almost begin to feel turned on and then something happens and the feeling just suddenly drops away, leaving me wanting men so much.

Hopefully meet up with him again this weekend!

[Jeshi]

[quote="stereoxchild"][quote="Jeshi"]
Jeez, somebody is a serious closet case setting them self up for physiological damage.

Induced by hypnosis or not if you keep doing stuff like that you're going to hurt yourself.

If you're Bisexual then your Bisexual, let yourself be Bisexual, and then just be really judgmental of every guy you meet if you don't want to be with men, if you get really picky about men then you'll only be with woman, whether or not you're also attracted to men or not.

Hey, Girls LIKE Bisexual men! Some guys LIE about it in order to get girls{And those guys are assholes}.[/quote]

Yeah yeah, what's the difference between sexually programming yourself with an online hypnosis MP3 into liking men or whatever and doing it without hypnosis? If hypnosis (made by some guy you don't know) can control you, than you for sure can control yourself sexually as well.
And why is it wrong to reinforce a certain existing attitude (in this case: straight) and not wrong to encourage a new attitude (feminizing, gay,..)?[/quote]

What I was saying is forcing yourself can hurt your mind.
I think it would be bad for your mental health to force yourself to have sex with woman and be dominant if you don't want to.

Even if you weren't like that before and the hypnosis caused it, the hypnosis clearly was strong enough to make a big enough change that fighting it could be dangerous.

=/ It's like realizing your gay but you're a devout catholic who lives in Kansas, you don't want to accept yourself and you think it's wrong so you're forcing yourself not to accept it trying to force yourself straight, many a people go crazy and commit suicide from that.

When your brain is hard wired to do something and you try and fight it your brain hurts itself in conflict.

And the thing is, most gay men didn't make themself that way they were born that way, and the "Gay" induced from Hypnosis isn't really like what gay men experience.

Hypnosis can change your subconscious, but what gender your attracted to is in your genes and physical brain, not your thoughts.

When somebody is "turned gay" from hypnosis the hypnotist didn't change their brain they created negative associations with woman and sexual associations with men, a trigger in their mind just like "Generic go to trance now" triggers, "When you see cock you get an erection and want to suck it" is no different then "When you here <Trigger> you will freeze".

And if it's different for somebody then usually it's because they already were gay or at least Bisexual and didn't accept it until then, after all, most of the stories start with "I had homoerotic thoughts and tendency's before so I thought I'd try out this file and see what happens"

The reason people use hypnosis to change in the first place is because your conscious mind can't control your subconscious mind, just try thinking consciously "Move arm" over and over, it's not going to work until your subconscious mind goes "oh, move the arm" and sends the signals to your nerves.

You can't make your heart stop by conciously thinking about how you want it to stop, because your subconscious has a failsafe reaction which is "NO! DON'T STOP THE HEART! KEEP IT BEATING" if anything tries to stop it from beating, and hypnosis programs other failsafes and triggers into your mind in the same way, "I think I'll eat some chocolate" "NO! DON'T EAT THE CHOCOLATE! EAT THE APPLE! IT'S HEALTHIER!"

If your subconscious has a trigger programmed into it of "Men! Sexy! be submissive!" trying to consciously go "NO! MEN NOT SEXY! BE DOMINANT! ONLY WOMAN!" it creates a conflict like if you kept trying to consciously stop your heart beat or consciously stop any other subconscious activity.
And if you force too hard you can cause mental damage.

It's why "Brainwashing techniques" used in wars were so dangerous, because if they messed up they could cause a mental breakdown of the subject and they would go crazy!

Like a Paradox, if it happened the universe would explode because of the conflict.

"He went back in time to make sure hitler got into art school but because of that he never had a need to go back and do so, so hitler didn't make it into art school and the man did have to go back in time and get him accepted but because of that he never had a need to go back in time ect"

is like

"I'm attracted to men BUT I CAN'T BE ATTRACTED TO MEN BUT MY SUBCONCIOUS SAYS I AM BUT I WON'T LET MYSELF BUT I'M BEING SUBMISSIVE I NEED TO BE DOMINANT" You're fighting yourself, and I guess the paradox analogy isn't the same thing but it's similar.

Like I said, it's okay to be attracted to men, if you want to be "Straight" then just ignore your tendency's for men but don't fight it.

And if you're being submissive then just be a bottom in bed, I'm sure whatever woman you sleep with wouldn't mind, forcing yourself to be dominant is just stupid.

I went on for a REALLY long time saying the same thing different ways I just noticed.

So tl;dr Fighting yourself will drive you crazy because your conscious and subconscious minds are separate in what they can do, thus the need for hypnosis..

[Alien4420]

[quote="Jeshi":51/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i269c5]
And the thing is, most gay men didn't make themself that way they were born that way, and the "Gay" induced from Hypnosis isn't really like what gay men experience.

Hypnosis can change your subconscious, but what gender your attracted to is in your genes and physical brain, not your thoughts.

When somebody is "turned gay" from hypnosis the hypnotist didn't change their brain they created negative associations with woman and sexual associations with men, a trigger in their mind just like "Generic go to trance now" triggers, "When you see cock you get an erection and want to suck it" is no different then "When you here <Trigger> you will freeze".

And if it's different for somebody then usually it's because they already were gay or at least Bisexual and didn't accept it until then, after all, most of the stories start with "I had homoerotic thoughts and tendency's before so I thought I'd try out this file and see what happens"[/quote:51/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i269c5]

Based on my experience with CFG, I'd have to say that that isn't true. I knew perfectly well what my sexuality was, and I wasn't attracted to men, I was grossed out by the idea of the thought of sex with them. A stereotypical heterosexual response -- anxiety and distaste from repression of homosexual impulses (reaction formation).

Of course, I can't say that I didn't have some kind of genetic predisposition, or that I wasn't a bit offbeat sexually, e.g., I was always turned on sexually by the idea of becoming a woman (though not gender dysphoric). Short of a controlled study, I don't know that it's possible to say that any straight guy would turn gay if he were reasonably hypnotizable and willingly listened to CFG. But the notion that I was some kind of closet bi or gay guy just isn't true, if I had been I would have known it.

The scientific evidence I've seen says that there is a genetic component to homosexuality, but that there are environmental factors as well. For example, if one identical twin is gay, there's a 5/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i% chance that the other will be gay. It would be 1/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i/\[url=(https?:\/\/[^\s\[]+):$uid\](.*?)\[\/url:$uid\]/i% if sexual orientation were determined solely by genetics. However, the fact that a fraternal twin has only a 33% chance of being gay if the other twin is says that it isn't entirely environment or upbringing, that there clearly is a genetic component.

Perhaps some people are born that way and some people become that way. Or perhaps some people are for genetic or prenatal reasons, more amenable to becoming gay. I do know though, having experienced it myself, that orientation and other aspects of sexuality can be altered by the subsconscious, and so are probably to some extent determined by early experience in at least some people.

I do agree with you about the difference between altering the subconscious through hypnosis and trying to change impulses with the conscious mind, though. OTOH, a suggestion of this sort is going to be fairly superficial. I can't order myself to be attracted to women now any more than I could order myself to be attracted to men before I listened to the file, but a few months of hypnosis isn't the same as a lifetime of conditioning, and it seems to me entirely plausible that the suggestion could wear off if not reinforced, or be peeled away by straight sexual experiences. I've had that experience with many hypnofiles, though I've never listened to one for three months straight as I did with CFG. They seem to become latent after a while, still there but repressed unless something resurrects them.

Also, I know from my own experience and from what some others have said that listening to CFS can cause an emotional meltdown if you've listened to CFG too long, but that may not be true if you're just talking about suppressing some impulses and trying to resurrect the others. At least, nothing bad has happened to me from looking at straight porn, I just lose my interest and get frustrated, maybe have some bad dreams . . .

I've had the first indication that CFG may be wearing off in my case, yesterday I was really into a straight fantasy and it eventually went away but I got pretty close to orgasm. And I've noticed that some of the offbeat things that used to turn me on seem to be coming back . . .

[ftslave67]

I've been reading a book called "The Brain That Changes Itself"--the author asserts that brain functions, personality and even sexuality are somewhat fluid--especially when you are younger. I don't think anyone has all the answers yet and maybe we never will. I would say that if something you're doing bothers you, or makes you unhappy that it would be good to lay off it for a while.

[Dave564]

Interesting discussion, Alien4420 I agree - as I always said in my earlier posts - I'm never sure I was 100% straight, I've always had strange and curious thoughts - I'm not sure if what is happening to me is a conflict with the way I am, right now it's just maybe bringing something out that I never had the confidence to confront, I don't know its hard to tell.

I can imagine however though if someone who felt and believed they were 100% right from the off something like this could be dangerous.

[Jeshi]

I'm always really annoyed when people say "We still don't know for sure what causes Homosexuality, it's probably a mix of genetics and environment"

Except the truth is we DO know what causes (Natural, as in not induced by hypnosis) Homosexuality in men, There is a Gene that some people have which changes the amount of testosterone you absorb in the womb when your balls drop, As all men start as women in the womb they have a womans brain which has hardwired into it "Be attracted to Men", this gene causes the testosterone to skip this part of the brain and thus you get a man who is attracted to men, rather then without the gene when the testosterone removes the part of the brain that is attracted to men and creates an attraction to woman, thus making a man who is attracted to women.

Environment can only change if they come out of the closet or accept who they are or not.

The figures of what percentage of men are gay is only based on men who admitted they're gay, in places where homosexuality is more accepted the percentages are higher because more men come out of the closet.

We still however don't know what causes Homosexuality in Women or bisexuality in men.

It seems that nobody has been trying to find out why women can be gay, and there are scientists doing tests still trying to find out if Bisexual men even exist and if they're lying(Which I think is funny that they would test for that instead of try and find out what causes Bisexuality)


Maybe Bisexuality is caused by Environment, but we KNOW that it doesn't change whether or not you're homosexual.

I said, MOST people that listen to CFG already had some homosexual or bisexual tendencies, that doesn't mean some didn't.

And like I said, the homosexuality caused by Hypnosis isn't a physical natural change, it wears off without consistent listening(Like almost all hypnosis) and is a "Mental illusion" for lack of better way to put it.

=/ It's just a pet peeve when people try and talk about scientific studies without knowing the latest version of said studies, as now and days we do know what causes homosexuality, and it's found in all animals(Although some more then others) proving it's a natural thing that happens before birth.
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