The forced gay success thread...

[OxyFemboi]

chibi wrote
Okay, okay. I've just never allowed myself to explore this part of me before. I've always put aside any fantasies and felt guilty if I ever used a fantasy to orgasm. But this... This there is no guilt afterwards. It isn't like I am yo-young, it's like falling into bliss each time... And each time falling further. It is addictive, but not in the bad way I thought it would be, but in an extremely pleasurable way. The problem is that I'm not even sure it is a problem right now... I want to listen even as I am writing this because it feels so delicious. It is a really great file that my brain is saying, "why stop if you love and crave it so much?"

I get your messages, I do... I really appreciate the advice... I don't know which choice to make right now.

I understand ... totally. To quote that renowned authority, Frank N. Furter:

? ? Give yourself over to absolute pleasure
Swim the warm waters of sins of the flesh
Erotic nightmares beyond any measure
And sensual daydreams to treasure forever ? ?

Then there is that hoary cliche (which is a cliche because it embodies truth):

When you have to make a choice and don’t make it, that is in itself a choice.
~~ William James

I know. I'm so fucking helpful. You're welcome.

[OxyFemboi]

I will quote one maxim which has helped me make many difficult decisions.

Eight words the Wiccan Rede fulfill,
An it harm none do what ye will.

The word "Rede" derives from Middle English, meaning "advice" or "counsel" and being closely related to the German Rat or Norwegian råd. "An" is an archaic Middle English conjunction, meaning "if." "Ye" is an archaic or dialectal form of "you" (nominative plural).

More information is located at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiccan_Rede

[chibicure]

I get it. I'm being selfish here by doing this in secret, but I think it is understandable to want to figure out what I really want and need before sitting down to tell everyone who could be impacted. I mean if this is just a momentary fascination with a feeling, I don't want to make a big deal of it.

On the other hand, if this is more than that, I don't know who I am to even tell anyone yet. I am so hot for this right now that I don't know if I'm just in lust mode or really making a change. Today I was leaking precum in my dress slacks at work just reading thoughtful pms from members and this thread. That hasn't happened since I was a teenager. There was a guy at the cafeteria who I may have freaked out by staring him up and down so unabashedly. And a girl I met with today who I always checked out who I felt kinda blah about today. It is the most waking pleasure I can ever remember feeling.

But like most erotic drugs, it probably will lose its potency after a couple of hits. It can't feel like this forever, right? So won't I know then which direction is right for me? I want this to keep feeling good and wish we could enjoy it together.

[Sherardp]

chibicure lets evaluate the facts. You mentioned you never had a gay thought before listening to the file. Now you are, to me this we can deduct that the file has changed you.

Next you have a family whom you still care about. And your using a fact that she isn't putting out for you anymore. As an excuse to finish the process.

Here is the thing the moment you are gay the marriage is over. Do you have kids? If so you will chance not getting to see them anymore also.

My question to you are you willing to loose this? If so then tell your wife now. If not tell your wife the truth and talk to her. Tell her you made a mistake and need help. Also keep in mind women only put out when they feel loved. Maybe she hasn't felt love or the romantic spark in a while.

My suggestion is your family is more important than your newly derived sexual problem. This problem is due to something you decided to do, which I am in the same boat maybe not as extreme but I am.

Honestly, if your honest with her and tell her the truth, you might realize how much she actually loves you or she might want out of the relationship. Either way you will know the right choice from her actions.

I was raised in a very religious family where being gay is a sin. I do not say this to preach at anyone, but I say this because I think you should pray about it. God still loves people who are Gay. Pray about it beforehand. No one can give you the answer you want to hear but your family, God, and yourself. You will ultimately make the right choice. In telling you this I need to do the same for myself, I am still feeling the urges and I am thinking I listened to the file 3 weeks ago.

[jan]

chibicure, I agree with Sherardp - work on resolving your current relationship now, either fixing it or ending it. Jumping into gay sex while still being in this troubled relationship is not a clean choice. It is your unhappiness that is making this so attractive, and you are thinking with your cock, not your brain.

CFG will still be there afterwards, if you still want it, but it makes your current situation even messier by pursuing it now.

My two cents, and worth every penny you paid for it:)

jan

[santi777]

Chibicure, i would definitely take a break for a while. Maybe do something special for yourself and perhaps include your family as well? If you really are gay there is plenty of time to come to terms with that and it's probably better that you take it slow. It's a very big change to go through and i'm not sure if you're quite ready to take that step.

:)Have a great weekend:)

[chibicure]

I guess I've really done a poor job explaining me and everything about me. I wished that I would have started with an explanation of the fantastic night I had in college with a girl who was stroking me and teasing me about hooking me up with her gay friend and taking me to a gay bar to see how hot it would be to try and land a guy there. How I had probably the best orgasm of my life that night. How I found an Advocate magazine in my college friends' dorm and stole it from him to read it and got so hot reading it. But then threw it out because I felt so guilty. Gay and bi fantasies have been suppressed my entire life to make "the right choice."

I've always done the "right" thing because even cumming to the idea of other choices led to extreme guilt and bad feelings afterwards. I never dealt with those feelings, I admit. I just did the right thing and got the right girlfriends and the right job and the right house and the right wife and and and...

The right thing was never to admit gay or bi fantasies to the right wife. To never share them or try to be okay with them myself. They only came in very sporadic (like once every couple of years) spurts of interest in being submissive to men/master/daddy/cock as concepts. I couldn't even look at pictures or porn because that made it too real and refocused the guilt. I suspect some of my aversion to seeing male couples together or kissing was a sick type of jealousy that was making have too much of an opinion. But stories without faces have been hot for a while. Except for the guilt that followed every time.

I can see this only through the light of the difference that I have experienced in the last several days. Maybe it is being "forced" to do something that I've deep down never let myself admit I wanted. Maybe it is about someone taking away all of the excuses and taking away the ability to find the "right" choice and just go in one direction.

I'm not saying that there aren't consequences... i'm just saying that I've always chosen the path with the least controversial consequences no matter what. To be free to experience another path and to realize that I haven't had an ounce of guilt when I am done with the file. For the first time ever I've looked at gay porn and relaxed into the hot horny feelings. I'm sick and tired of always doing the right thing...

I'm not sure I understand why, when this pandora's box has been opened, am I supposed to run back to my wife, reconvince the two of us that we should be having sex, seek counseling if we don't, and then declare a failed relationship to listen to an mp3 that is helping me feel so good about gay. Frankly, just the more positive interactions I've had with gay men at work has been eye-opening.

But I respect your opinions, I really do. So I'll stop banging away at this thread and do my best to leave the gay files to the single men. I'll go back and do the "right" thing. Once again. Best.

[santi777]

Chibicure, You don't have to leave the thread. I think everyone is just a little worried, that's all. Like you, i was married before and i also have children. The marriage ended about 9 years ago and i used to blame myself but now i see it as something that just wasn't meant to be. I did actually tell my wife i was bi before we were married, and i always felt pretty good about that.

I am happier now that i've begun to accept my gay feelings and i'm really enjoying myself but it has been a struggle. I'm not sure where you live but you might want to call a glbt support line or visit a glbt support group if you've had these feelings for a long time.

I think it would be really great if you could talk to someone in person or at least on the phone. That i think could really help. I can understand the struggle with your feelings because i've been through the same thing, myself.

I don't really have anything else to say except that i hope everything works out for you, no matter what decision you make. Please take care because i care!

[Sherardp]

I mean no offense to anyone by the but you just sounded like a gay man. But I think the point is you need to decide what is best for you and you just need to include your spouse asap. Its your choice on how you want to lead your life no one elses.

But your choice affects others still, and that means you need to be a man and step up and give them what you want. If you have been struggling with being gay for years then you know this is prolly the best thing for you.

I personally have not struggled with it, but I have struggled with Gender Identity Disorder. My spouse although she doesn't understand it knows that about me. She is the only person how knows this secret about me.

If you have been struggling with it you owe it to your family but most importantly to yourself to do the right thing. And the right thing is what makes you happy. If your just starting to have these emotions in spite of something you called a failed relationship, then that is wrong. I do not think any of us can truely understand your exact situation, because there are to many unknown variables.

But from what you have told us, and how I have interpreted what you said, I still think you need to call a family meeting. And in this meeting you need to tell your family what you want.

[OxyFemboi]

sherardp wrote
I mean no offense to anyone by the but you just sounded like a gay man. But I think the point is you need to decide what is best for you and you just need to include your spouse asap. Its your choice on how you want to lead your life no one elses.

But your choice affects others still, and that means you need to be a man and step up and give them what you want. If you have been struggling with being gay for years then you know this is prolly the best thing for you.

I personally have not struggled with it, but I have struggled with Gender Identity Disorder.

I have struggled with being gay during my teens and twenties. Unlike most people perusing this thread, I came by my confusion naturally ... I was Born This Way. (Thanks, Lady Gaga!) I can remember the struggle. Back then, it was a struggle: it was illegal (it was against the law to suck someone else's cock ... and very few of us can suck our own) and immoral (the Church taught you were going to HELL for this!), and you were by definition insane (pre-1973, homosexuality had its own category in the DSM; in 1987, homosexuality was eliminated as a mental disorder.) If there had been any evidence -- or if someone had thought of it -- I'm sure homosexuality would have been considered fattening as well.

I may have gone through the wrong struggle. However, in my defense, Gender Identity Disorder wasn't around when I was growing up. I was born in 1950 and, really, the sexual response of a gay guy and a M?F trans person is identical, so perhaps I can be excused for maybe misidentifying myself. I'm still not sure that I'm trans; hell, I don't even know the procedure to go through to qualify for the surgery! (Or if the surgery might be a mistake.)

Chibi, nobody is saying that you have to go away and lock this part of you away. First, we didn't know any background. I, at least, thought you were going through guilt which included guilt at not being there for your wife. The last thing that I thought was that you were most likely a gay guy who has been suppressing these feelings for years, maybe decades. Been there ... exceedingly glad I didn't get married. I'm extremely thankful that I was asexual enough not to be bothered by most sexual desires ... and glad that I didn't follow through with the "gotta have a wife to pass" stage; a lesbian friend -- Linda -- and I did talk about it. I chickened out at the last minute. We were to have been married by our favorite SF author (and friend), Marion Zimmer Bradley, at a specialized SF convention devoted to MZB and her books, a DarkoverCon. I didn't even show up for the convention; instead, I attended PhilCon, the SF convention which was held the following weekend.

chibi wrote:
I'll stop banging away at this thread and do my best to leave the gay files to the single men. I'll go back and do the "right" thing. Once again. Best.

May I respond with one last quote:

This above all- to thine own self be true,
And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not then be false to any man.
Farewell. My blessing season this in thee!
~~ William Shakespeare
Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 3, lines 564-567

Yes, I care. Keep in touch.

[Alien4420]

I guess I've really done a poor job explaining me and everything about me. I wished that I would have started with an explanation of the fantastic night I had in college with a girl who was stroking me and teasing me about hooking me up with her gay friend and taking me to a gay bar to see how hot it would be to try and land a guy there. How I had probably the best orgasm of my life that night. How I found an Advocate magazine in my college friends' dorm and stole it from him to read it and got so hot reading it. But then threw it out because I felt so guilty. Gay and bi fantasies have been suppressed my entire life to make "the right choice."

I've always done the "right" thing because even cumming to the idea of other choices led to extreme guilt and bad feelings afterwards. I never dealt with those feelings, I admit. I just did the right thing and got the right girlfriends and the right job and the right house and the right wife and and and...

The right thing was never to admit gay or bi fantasies to the right wife. To never share them or try to be okay with them myself. They only came in very sporadic (like once every couple of years) spurts of interest in being submissive to men/master/daddy/cock as concepts. I couldn't even look at pictures or porn because that made it too real and refocused the guilt. I suspect some of my aversion to seeing male couples together or kissing was a sick type of jealousy that was making have too much of an opinion. But stories without faces have been hot for a while. Except for the guilt that followed every time.

I can see this only through the light of the difference that I have experienced in the last several days. Maybe it is being "forced" to do something that I've deep down never let myself admit I wanted. Maybe it is about someone taking away all of the excuses and taking away the ability to find the "right" choice and just go in one direction.

I'm not saying that there aren't consequences... i'm just saying that I've always chosen the path with the least controversial consequences no matter what. To be free to experience another path and to realize that I haven't had an ounce of guilt when I am done with the file. For the first time ever I've looked at gay porn and relaxed into the hot horny feelings. I'm sick and tired of always doing the right thing...

I'm not sure I understand why, when this pandora's box has been opened, am I supposed to run back to my wife, reconvince the two of us that we should be having sex, seek counseling if we don't, and then declare a failed relationship to listen to an mp3 that is helping me feel so good about gay. Frankly, just the more positive interactions I've had with gay men at work has been eye-opening.

But I respect your opinions, I really do. So I'll stop banging away at this thread and do my best to leave the gay files to the single men. I'll go back and do the "right" thing. Once again. Best.

No need for guilt, you're the victim here. You're hardly alone into having been pressured into a marriage that denies your sexuality. As others have said, this has been the lot of many gay and bi guys for many years now.

I see a gay guy who's been forced into a straight marriage as being in a very different moral and practical situation than a married guy who's just listening to Forced Gay because the idea of being changed turns him on, and I think many of the remarks here were made with that assumption, and don't necessarily apply in your case.

So -- is the answer sweeping everything back under the carpet? I don't think it is. Many gay and bi guys have made arrangements with their wives in which they seek their sex elsewhere. Since your wife isn't demanding sex, it seems to me that this might be a perfectly workable arrangement for her.

I don't know that Curse Forced Gay is the solution for you. For one thing it makes you exclusively gay, and as you said, you may be bi and want to keep that option open. For another, it's a pretty negative file. It seems to me that as far as files go, EMG's Freedom from Mental Bondage may be a more appropriate choice. It doesn't seek to change your orientation but rather frees you in a more general way from the social pressures that make it difficult for you to express your sexuality. And if you do listen to a gay file, I think it should be something like Positive Gay Male.

But mostly I think you should explore this in person with other gay guys who have been in the same place. I'd also consider seeing a therapist, *not* because there is something wrong with you or because I think this is something that should be "fixed," but because of the experience they have in helping guys dealing with situations like this one, and because it can give you an opening to discuss things with your wife (if you even choose to -- I don't know what her attitudes are on this). But it would have to be the right person, not some idiot who will try to "fix" you.

[JoyofSub]

I'm not sure I understand why, when this pandora's box has been opened, am I supposed to run back to my wife, reconvince the two of us that we should be having sex, seek counseling if we don't, and then declare a failed relationship to listen to an mp3 that is helping me feel so good about gay. Frankly, just the more positive interactions I've had with gay men at work has been eye-opening.

But I respect your opinions, I really do. So I'll stop banging away at this thread and do my best to leave the gay files to the single men. I'll go back and do the "right" thing. Once again. Best.

Hi Chibicure,

I believe it's a mistake to abandon the course you've set. Burying yourself into a roll that is inappropriate and a poor fit isn't a solution for either you or your wife.

There is another hypnotic approach to releasing our inhibitions and embracing our true selves. Mind Mistress at

http://adult.hypnoticwishes.com/cd/cd32.php

is EXTREMELY masterful at a gentler approach: There is no forcing, no directives. While deep in trance, she makes it clear to you that this is your decision and by doing so, all your inhibitions, doubts and fears are circumvented and neutralized. That includes all the angst and reasons you elaborate here. They will all disappear. You begin to immediately accept the files suggestions; and you do so euphorically.

At her site she outlines the various stages to her file. In the final two stages she states:

Track 10-Forever (4:22): You realize now that you really ARE gay, you’ve always been gay and just denying it. You can forget any memories that suggest you’re not gay, and fully accept that you are gay. In fact, you’d like to be MORE gay, and you need to reinforce your conditioning every day to feel better and better about being more and more gay. Whenever you try to fight it, the need to be gay gets STRONGER, and you act even more femmy and swishy, more and more, and if you fight it too much, you’ll start to lisp. But that won’t happen, because you LOVE being gay.

Track 11-Awaken (0:53): Awaken as a total gay guy, remembering all those memories of being gay, feeling wonderful!

Her files are enormously effective: quicker, gentler and just as addictive as CFG because they leave you absolutely elated with your new life.

May I ask, if your wife is the dominate figure in your marriage? Do you find yourself submissive to her? Do you still love her, though she has excluded you from physical intimacy? If so, why not have a heart-to-heart and show her Mind Mistress's site. Let her know what you want. Give her the option to order the file(s) that would compliment both interests. You did seem excited in having a female introduce you to a gay life. Why not discover if your wife is ready to render that service. After all, it does appear as though she has set the stage for such an event.

Anyway, your image of Pandora's box is right. You've been affected. Don't continue living a lie and extending the misery. You know what you want. Find out what your wife wants once she is aware of your direction.

[robindf1]

Sooo...I've been waiting for a modified version of this file. Is there any other gay file that's as effective as this one I can listen to in the meanwhile?

[santi777]

Hello Joy:)
I love your look! You look really amazing!!! Have you used any feminization files? And if so, what are your favourite ones?

[OxyFemboi]

Chibi wrote:
I guess I've really done a poor job explaining me and everything about me. I wished that I would have started with an explanation of the fantastic night I had in college with a girl who was stroking me and teasing me about hooking me up with her gay friend and taking me to a gay bar to see how hot it would be to try and land a guy there. How I had probably the best orgasm of my life that night. How I found an Advocate magazine in my college friends' dorm and stole it from him to read it and got so hot reading it. But then threw it out because I felt so guilty. Gay and bi fantasies have been suppressed my entire life to make "the right choice."

I've always done the "right" thing because even cumming to the idea of other choices led to extreme guilt and bad feelings afterwards. I never dealt with those feelings, I admit. I just did the right thing and got the right girlfriends and the right job and the right house and the right wife and and and...

The right thing was never to admit gay or bi fantasies to the right wife. To never share them or try to be okay with them myself. They only came in very sporadic (like once every couple of years) spurts of interest in being submissive to men/master/daddy/cock as concepts. I couldn't even look at pictures or porn because that made it too real and refocused the guilt. I suspect some of my aversion to seeing male couples together or kissing was a sick type of jealousy that was making have too much of an opinion. But stories without faces have been hot for a while. Except for the guilt that followed every time.

I can see this only through the light of the difference that I have experienced in the last several days. Maybe it is being "forced" to do something that I've deep down never let myself admit I wanted. Maybe it is about someone taking away all of the excuses and taking away the ability to find the "right" choice and just go in one direction.

I'm not saying that there aren't consequences... i'm just saying that I've always chosen the path with the least controversial consequences no matter what. To be free to experience another path and to realize that I haven't had an ounce of guilt when I am done with the file. For the first time ever I've looked at gay porn and relaxed into the hot horny feelings. I'm sick and tired of always doing the right thing...

I'm not sure I understand why, when this pandora's box has been opened, am I supposed to run back to my wife, reconvince the two of us that we should be having sex, seek counseling if we don't, and then declare a failed relationship to listen to an mp3 that is helping me feel so good about gay. Frankly, just the more positive interactions I've had with gay men at work has been eye-opening.

But I respect your opinions, I really do. So I'll stop banging away at this thread and do my best to leave the gay files to the single men. I'll go back and do the "right" thing. Once again. Best.

If you had written this first, you would have gotten entirely different responses from me and, I'm sure, from the rest of the forum thread.

I went through what you did when I was in college. It was a bit crueler for me. I was contemplating a vocation as a Roman Catholic priest and had applied to seminaries and had arranged for a scholarship through my church, who needed priests and was more than willing to pay all of my expenses to a wonderful seminary.

Before I went, I had a Revelation about my sexuality. Yes, I was confronted -- in my heart -- with the absolute truth that I was gay. Cruel? Oh, fuck, yeah? I was suicidal. (I obviously did not commit suicide, but it was close. These were my thoughts: God made me in an image he condemns, then wants me to serve him by being celibate? Oh, fuck that! I'm going to go to hell anyway but he wants me to serve his flock before I get cast into hell? That's fucking cruel ... sadistic ... am I that much of a masochist? (Well, yeah, I am, but really, I considered that as another, unrelated problem.)

I spent two years being clinically depressed and not revealing any part of why to anybody. (Homosexual? Mentally ill? Wants to serve God? Yeah, right ...!)

Been where you are, done that shit, have the scars.

If I had found WWM -- or some equivalent -- in those pre-Internet (Hell!, this was pre-personal computer!) days and been given access to and/or been made to listen to a file that forced me to act on my desires, I would have freaked just as you're doing. Being forced to confront my most secret desires, unleash my darkest longings, lose my inhibitions, do what I had always secretly longed to do, and being made to feel proud of who I am and what I'm doing? Hell, I would have considered that a fucking literal MIRACLE!

My unsolicited advice: Be proud of who you are and what you are. Your feelings are honest and true. We were put on this earth to help others, yes, but the first and foremost command is to know -- and love -- yourself!.

I rarely quote Scripture any more. However, Mark 12: 29-31 (and its parallel passages) makes the point so succinctly:
One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?”
The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one Lord. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength. [Deut 6:4-5] The second is this: Love your neighbor as yourself. [Lev. 19:18] There is no commandment greater than these.” (New International Version)

Note the phrasing of the second commandment:"Love your neighbor as yourself." This means that you need to love yourself before you can love others. That means accepting who you are -- ALL of who you are -- including your sexual needs, wants, and desires ... and loving -- and being proud -- all those portions of yourself.

The rave movement and Electronic Dance Music culture have a motto which sums up what I'm trying to expound: Peace Love Unity Respect, usually shortened to PLUR; I believe it's a worthwhile addition to the language. now if we could only live the ideals that the word embodies ....

The least confrontational path, is usually not the best or easiest path to take. Water takes the path of least resistance, which is not the same as saying that its path is easy. Water flows around boulders, forming perilous rapids; it plunges down cliffs, forming waterfalls which are beautiful to look at but hard to survive; when there is no outlet, water forms stagnant ponds where disease-carrying mosquitoes breed and, if the right (or wrong) minerals are carried to the pond by the water, the water becomes unhealthy, possibly deadly, to drink.

I found a way to be happy with and grateful for my sexuality. I hope you find a way to the same goal.

[JoyofSub]

Hello Joy:)
I love your look! You look really amazing!!! Have you used any feminization files? And if so, what are your favourite ones?

That's too sweat. Thank you. Since a conversation on this subject could easily become less than germane to CFG, I've sent you a pm. Let me know if you haven't received it.

[santi777]

That's too sweat. Thank you. Since a conversation on this subject could easily become less than germane to CFG, I've sent you a pm. Let me know if you haven't received it.

:)You're welcome:) Thanks for the message. Let me know if you got my reply. Take care and have a great day!

[Jack_909]

Huh, this forum is...interesting.

Can anyone answer a few questions about CFG?

To explain, I just stumbled across this forum recently, and was shocked to see this venerated CFG alter so many people's lives. That Dave guy, some dude named Alan, and some poor soul named Ryan. I'm sure there were others, but it's been about a week or two since I skimmed through this forum, and I'm sure I'm missing some details.

Anyways, as a 20-something relatively straight dude, I was shock at the hype surrounding it. However I wanted to give dating some guys a chance and decided CFG might be the gateway for that. I bought it, and the results were....not what I expected.

(No offense intended to whoever produced/voiced this CFG file by the way, given what I'm about to say.)

It started with this weird raspy voice trying to put me to sleep-----not trance sleep, just sleep-sleep-----and eventually leading to a "hypnotic induction", I think it's called. Seriously, the guy sounded like he was either begrudgingly reading the script, or had a bad case of phlegm in his throat. (And if I wanted to listen to a guy begrudgingly shouting out instructions with phlegm in his throat, I'd go to my the nearest Denny's. The cooks and cashiers there are especially well-trained in that skill.) Anyways, I eventually get to the point in-trance when he's telling me women disgust me, which they don't, and that ---- instead. He then talked about how these changes are *permanent* in some ominous sounding voice, and then the file ended.

I tried to re-listen to it a few more times and I felt nothing. Not gonna lie, kind of regretting buying into the hype. It's like being taken blindfolded to a movie that everyone around you claims is amazing and world changing, and when you take the blindfold off and the movie begins to play, you realize you're watching Zack Snyder's Sucker Punch.

I'm not really mad or frustrated at CFG as I am surprised. But perhaps my lack of a reaction is just because I'm immune to hypnotism? Beats me.

So yeah, I just have a few quick questions, if anyone would like to respond.
1. Why is everyone treating this like the second coming?
2. Has the guy who voiced this file thought of applying for a job on NPR radio? He could be a really great fit.
3. Why are so many people demonstrating personality changes to this file? I've listen to it enough to remember there isn't anything specific toward's ones personality. That Alan guy, Dave(to an extent), and others all changed their personalities to an extreme (at least as implied by posts on this forum), for better or worse. Aint gonna lie---that's kinda creepy. There's a difference between same sex attraction and being a flamboyant over-the-top person (not that there's anything wrong with the latter, but apparently some people think you can't be one without the other. Huh.)
---Just one last comment on 3., I guess you could argue that the file triggered some psychologically repressed/unaddressed insecurities within some listeners, that resulted in the change in personalities? I know only a bit about psychology, but I'm assuming that could be one explanation.
4. Any other(preferably free, as I'm not so keen on making the same mistake twice) hypnosis files I could try that could promote same-sex attraction?

I'd appreciate anyone with the time to respond to some of the questions I got, as I'm still very surprised about my reaction to this file lol

[ftslave67]

Chibicure, what's "right" is what's right for you. I think people are just expressing that you need to consider your wife's feelings in the process, i.e. put yourself in her shoes. Doesn't necessarily mean total disclosure. Doesn't mean sacrificing yourself to please her. Maybe go to couples counseling and put some things out on the table.

[jan]

Jack_909 -

There are many people who don't 'get' EMG's style of hypnotic induction, but there are several other versions of the script, such as azureogon's and Samantha Bandler's. Before you put down the script, you might want to try some additional flavors.

jan

[Alien4420]

Huh, this forum is...interesting.

Can anyone answer a few questions about CFG?

To explain, I just stumbled across this forum recently, and was shocked to see this venerated CFG alter so many people's lives. That Dave guy, some dude named Alan, and some poor soul named Ryan. I'm sure there were others, but it's been about a week or two since I skimmed through this forum, and I'm sure I'm missing some details.

Anyways, as a 20-something relatively straight dude, I was shock at the hype surrounding it. However I wanted to give dating some guys a chance and decided CFG might be the gateway for that. I bought it, and the results were....not what I expected.

(No offense intended to whoever produced/voiced this CFG file by the way, given what I'm about to say.)

It started with this weird raspy voice trying to put me to sleep-----not trance sleep, just sleep-sleep-----and eventually leading to a "hypnotic induction", I think it's called. Seriously, the guy sounded like he was either begrudgingly reading the script, or had a bad case of phlegm in his throat. (And if I wanted to listen to a guy begrudgingly shouting out instructions with phlegm in his throat, I'd go to my the nearest Denny's. The cooks and cashiers there are especially well-trained in that skill.) Anyways, I eventually get to the point in-trance when he's telling me women disgust me, which they don't, and that ---- instead. He then talked about how these changes are *permanent* in some ominous sounding voice, and then the file ended.

I tried to re-listen to it a few more times and I felt nothing. Not gonna lie, kind of regretting buying into the hype. It's like being taken blindfolded to a movie that everyone around you claims is amazing and world changing, and when you take the blindfold off and the movie begins to play, you realize you're watching Zack Snyder's Sucker Punch.

I'm not really mad or frustrated at CFG as I am surprised. But perhaps my lack of a reaction is just because I'm immune to hypnotism? Beats me.

So yeah, I just have a few quick questions, if anyone would like to respond.
1. Why is everyone treating this like the second coming?
2. Has the guy who voiced this file thought of applying for a job on NPR radio? He could be a really great fit.
3. Why are so many people demonstrating personality changes to this file? I've listen to it enough to remember there isn't anything specific toward's ones personality. That Alan guy, Dave(to an extent), and others all changed their personalities to an extreme (at least as implied by posts on this forum), for better or worse. Aint gonna lie---that's kinda creepy. There's a difference between same sex attraction and being a flamboyant over-the-top person (not that there's anything wrong with the latter, but apparently some people think you can't be one without the other. Huh.)
---Just one last comment on 3., I guess you could argue that the file triggered some psychologically repressed/unaddressed insecurities within some listeners, that resulted in the change in personalities? I know only a bit about psychology, but I'm assuming that could be one explanation.
4. Any other(preferably free, as I'm not so keen on making the same mistake twice) hypnosis files I could try that could promote same-sex attraction?

I'd appreciate anyone with the time to respond to some of the questions I got, as I'm still very surprised about my reaction to this file lol

Jack, lots to respond to here, but I'll try to address at least some of it.

First of all, hypnosis is a skill. We all fall into trance, it's a natural state that allows us to be influenced to some extent by others -- if you've ever gotten immersed in a novel or engaged with a movie, you've been in trance. But going into trance *on demand* isn't natural to us. In practice, some people are more hypnotizable than others -- psychologists have performed many experiments with subjects and have devised scales of hypnotizability, from those who don't react at all to those who are extremely suggestible and can go into the deepest, somnambulistic trances -- the ones at which they can be hypnotized into positive and negative hallucinations.

Well, I can tell you that when hypnosis works, it's a total blast! Amazing to find yourself controlled like that. One thing that hypnotists routinely do is give a subject suggestions so that he will know he's been hypnotized -- trying but being unable to open his eyes, for example -- because trance isn't always obvious, one remains conscious, so people tend not to believe that they're in one!

Anyway, trance is a skill. As I said it comes easily to some, but others have to work hard to learn how to do it. It isn't actually like sleep -- brain scans show that it's a hyperfocused state.

EMG uses a pretty standard induction but there are inductions in different styles and different people respond to different ones. I recommend Bubble Induction (free on the site) for those interested in improving their trancing skills and learning what deep trance feels like. The more experience you have with trancing the easier it becomes to go into one, until you don't really need an induction at all.

As to why we listen to Curse Forced Gay, I think it varies from person to person. Dave, who stated this thread, didn't have good relationships with women and had a lot of gay friends, so he decided to bring his sexuality into line with his friendships. Some people are bi and want to be just gay, or they're into being forced to do stuff, or maybe they're like you and are curious and wondering what the fuss is about. One guy did it because his wife wanted him to, and ended up

Not everyone ends up fem or flamboyantly gay. I didn't. I don't know why reactions differ but in a file like this, your own mind is filling in the blanks. It's possible that those who did brought their own conception of what being gay was to the table, and that was a stereotypical one (since guys who are flamboyant are obviously gay, while we don't see those who aren't). I think Dave also listened to some Mind Mistress gayification files and those do make you act stereotypically gay. Or maybe some were just turned on by the idea. I admit that it appeals to me, and some suggestions from various files have an effect so when I heard my own recorded voice the other day I was astounded to hear how gay I sounded. But mostly I avoided it because it's socially difficult and because a lot of guys prefer straight acting partners.

Anyway, as Jan said, voice and style and tone are a matter of preference and there are other version of Curse Forced Gay. There are also other gay files like Slutinmyhead's Positive Gay Male (free) and Programmable Bottom ($20 on his website). EMG's file takes a very S&M approach, it's like being hit over the head by a mallet and if you keep listening you will find yourself trapped in it. SIMH's is as the title suggests more positive and gentle, more for someone who wants to change their sexual orientation than someone who wants to be forced to.

Anyway, I can tell you that being changed this way has been a blast, sexually and otherwise. But I wouldn't recommend it to someone who has a family or committed partner. I don't think these files should ever be used if they'll hurt people or mess up your life.

[Sherardp]

Just to show how powerful this file is. I listed 1 time back on May 2nd. And today May 27th is the first time I have not thought about man parts only female and I have completely lost the desire to listen to the file. I will say my libido during this sky rocketed and it made this really hard to quit.

Any straight guys who want to list the warning is for real on this file. It starts with yours then leads to other peoples.

The way I quit was by not listening, and when the urge came on to listen I had to get myself off. That was the only way to keep myself away from it.

[CyrilMtl]

Just to show how powerful this file is. I listed 1 time back on May 2nd. And today May 27th is the first time I have not thought about man parts only female and I have completely lost the desire to listen to the file. I will say my libido during this sky rocketed and it made this really hard to quit.

Any straight guys who want to list the warning is for real on this file. It starts with yours then leads to other peoples.

The way I quit was by not listening, and when the urge came on to listen I had to get myself off. That was the only way to keep myself away from it.

How was your month in gay land ?
getting feeling, hard-on on guys ?
gay stuff ?
did you 'tried' stuff ?
Switching for gay to straight and back to day during the some day (some people here describe it as a two position switch, nothing in the middle) ?
Now you are back as straight, how do you feel about your gay time memory ? must be weird thinking that cute coworker was turning you on a week ago and now nothing.
Do you plan to listen to the file again (or an edited one) for another gay month some time in the future ?
Did you get the 'NEED' to listen again during that month ?
curious if you are going to get some 'gay flash back' time to time as the file fade away.

[Sherardp]

I cant say that it was fun or not. I am married and my spouse is pregnant so I knew I made a mistake the moment I listened. The libido being up high was extremely fun, but I am not going to cheat on my wife. To me it felt weird that I was turned on by any men cause I have never had that before.

I do not plan to listen to again because I know that it would not be fair to my wife and I have a very religious family. I wanted to listen to the file so bad everytime I was horny, but I made sure I got off right then.

I really feel like it has faded because my attraction to women is stronger again.

[avalon69]

OOHHHH MYYY GAAWWDDD!!!

I just listened to mira stern's curse pussy aversion, ohshitohshitohshit :-D I think it's finally ridding me of attraction to boobs and girly down below bits :-D

I'm SOOOO Happy right now :-D


ava
xxxxxx

[Alien4420]

Sounds like a hot file.

[bostonmarc]

Mira Stern's files are really good and they are powerful. I had listened to a few of them from her Gay Washing series. They are a little different but effective.

[OxyFemboi]

I want to mention that I found this file to be extremely helpful in accepting changes files have wrought in me:

• Name: Accepting your desires, changes and your self
Description: This file is based on an email I received. It is about once struggle with change and the conflict some may have between the joy of what they want, but internal or external issues preventing you from enjoying it to the fullest. With this file you can eliminate the negativity to fully embrace any change or desire, any fetish. The swiss knife of fetish acceptance :-)
Author: ocntrl ? Added On: 2011-09-26 Downloaded: 1159 Length: 24:52
Audience: Any Effect: Permanent Voice Gender: Male Voice Type: Human
Your Rating: 1 2 3 4 5 Average Rating: 4.7500 Total Votes: 4 Comments: 2
Permanent Link: Accepting your desires, changes and your self Favorite: Mark Favorite Report: Report File

Link: http://www.warpmymind.com/modules.php?name=FilesNewsys&act=fetch&nopage=1&link=10953

I hope you find the file to be as helpful as I have found it.

[avalon69]

I want to mention that I found this file to be extremely helpful in accepting changes files have wrought in me:

• Name: Accepting your desires, changes and your self
Description: This file is based on an email I received. It is about once struggle with change and the conflict some may have between the joy of what they want, but internal or external issues preventing you from enjoying it to the fullest. With this file you can eliminate the negativity to fully embrace any change or desire, any fetish. The swiss knife of fetish acceptance :-)
Author: ocntrl ? Added On: 2011-09-26 Downloaded: 1159 Length: 24:52
Audience: Any Effect: Permanent Voice Gender: Male Voice Type: Human
Your Rating: 1 2 3 4 5 Average Rating: 4.7500 Total Votes: 4 Comments: 2
Permanent Link: Accepting your desires, changes and your self Favorite: Mark Favorite Report: Report File

Link: http://www.warpmymind.com/modules.php?name=FilesNewsys&act=fetch&nopage=1&link=10953

I hope you find the file to be as helpful as I have found it.

thanks oxyfeboi, you're a superstar!!!

*kiss*

ava
xxx

[macdaddy]

I was a poster early on in this thread - my first post was in 2009. (post# 37337). (LOL if 2009 is early in a thread - my gawd this has to be the longest forum thread I have seen anywhere in my personal surfing of the intertubes. Hope it will never die because it is also one of the most helpful ones - a true counseling session for the ages.)

I have not listened to this file since 2012 - and before that only a few times since 2009/2010. The total effect has mostly - but not all worn off; it has changed my sexuality enormously.

I no longer feel totally gay - but I feel like I should be.
I am not gay - but I am not straight either.
I am not straight - but I am happy.

I am married, my wife dislikes actual sex, though she likes to cuddle and be affectionate. We have a great relationship. She is my best friend. She does not know about my 'gay' experiments in 2009/10 and I doubt I'll ever tell her. She knows I masturbate using online porn, knows I need some sexual release. She does not know what I masturbate to.

The positive side of this file is that I used to occasionally make use of the services of a professional woman to relieve my sexual tensions. Have not done that since 2009. No need.

I did try real time gay encounters several times due to CFG - but where I live it is very difficult to do this discretely. And I did not want to end my marriage - and I had the same guilt feelings I had when using an escort service. Though I enjoyed sucking and fucking and tasting and smelling big delicious cocks enormously.

I have come to terms with what others may say is my twisted sexuality now - I only do virtual sex - and due to CFG and my hypnosis fetish I have come to the realization I am a submissive sexually though I am a high powered Alpha type in my professional life.

Again, I emphasize that I stopped listening to CFG totally in 2012. But I am still feeling the effects and hearing the words in my subconscious thoughts when it is occasionally manifested to my conscious mind; the tape is still playing and because it is a curse it will never entirely stop. Keep that in mind reading the below.

I only masturbate to online porn anymore - and I do not feel guilt, or indeed even miss actual sex with another person.

This is because that through my search for forced gay porn online caused by my affinity for CFG, I discovered I enjoy following online dommes - watching their clips that emphasize forced-bi/gay/fem and cuckold fantasies, and I fully enjoy their brainwashing clips that persuade me that I never want actual sex with a woman again; I only want to serve them by giving up my sexuality to their desire to make me a worshiping gay cuckold pet for them only.

I now enjoy watching cuckold and straight porn films that feature big huge ginormous juicy cocks. I enjoy watching Transsexual porn. I enjoy fantasizing about the beautiful dommes and starlets I see forcing me to turn gay for them.

I am still sexually attracted to females - though they must be Alpha females. And they must tease me into wanting to be gay for them. To show my devotion to them by giving up normal sex and learning to be their pet.

This is how I have adapted my life after CFG. I am happy and well adjusted with my sex life even though it is largely a fantasy based one. My wife is happy because she senses this and no longer feels she has to satisfy me that way - and I no longer feel the guilty pressure to perform. I give her all my real life love - let there be no doubt that she is the love of my life and my best friend - the online scene is only a fantasy life and I have no affections there but fantasy ones. That said the online mistresses I serve (none are or ever will be real time mistresses; it it is all anonymous and they do not know my real name) are happy.

So I have to thank CFG for saving me from myself - it gave me the strength to stop physically cheating on my wife in secret which would have eventually destroyed me because of the guilt I felt.

Hope this helps others to realize that there are many paths through life. I still feel the occasional urge to listen to CFG, fantasy's about Big delicious cocks and giving up women forever still fill my fantasies - but I realize that these are fantasies, they will never go away entirely - and I am happy that they won't. The Curse works - but thankfully it can be tree of multiple fruits.

Sometimes I am wistful I have not turned out a happy gay person, or that I am one who can boast they are one of the few who beat the curse. There is nothing wrong with either result - I envy those who have had those results. But I am satisfied with my life today and I do not recommend anyone follow my path - unless they want to.


This is truly My Real Life Success story. Thanks again CFG and EMG.

[Dreamin4Men]

I've been listening to these kinds of files on and off for about a year so. For the past few months I was actually not listening too much. What got me into it again was when two hung black guys were jacking off on chat roulette. Suddenly the the pleasure from r he files came flooding back over me.

I'm not sure how far along I really am. I'm watching a ton of gay porn thanks to this. I don't know how my arousal for women is. I honestly haven't been trying to ignore them, it's just the gay thoughts and porn make me hornier than I have ever been while watching any kind of porn.

I hope you guys can help me get even gayer and hornier

[Alien4420]

Sometimes I am wistful I have not turned out a happy gay person, or that I am one who can boast they are one of the few who beat the curse. There is nothing wrong with either result - I envy those who have had those results. But I am satisfied with my life today and I do not recommend anyone follow my path - unless they want to.

I think we all find a compromise that best satisfies our needs, balancing not only the suggestions in the files we listen to but suggestions we receive elsewhere and give ourselves, as well as real-life experiences. And this seems to be the ideal solution for you.

[Alien4420]

I've been listening to these kinds of files on and off for about a year so. For the past few months I was actually not listening too much. What got me into it again was when two hung black guys were jacking off on chat roulette. Suddenly the the pleasure from r he files came flooding back over me.

I'm not sure how far along I really am. I'm watching a ton of gay porn thanks to this. I don't know how my arousal for women is. I honestly haven't been trying to ignore them, it's just the gay thoughts and porn make me hornier than I have ever been while watching any kind of porn.

I hope you guys can help me get even gayer and hornier

Well in my experience anyway the more you listen and the more files you listen to, the gayer you become, until at some point it's no longer something that's being imposed, it's what you are. And then things happen.

Forex, yesterday, I went to physical therapy for my back, and the hot young physical therapist started playing footsie with me. I'm just not straight anymore and without being aware of it I send off gay vibes. It's not like I'm campy or fem or anything, but I was amazed when I heard a recording of my voice the other day to hear how gay it sounded. I'm not at all aware of it when I'm speaking.

[avalon69]

[quote="Alien4420"]

but I was amazed when I heard a recording of my voice the other day to hear how gay it sounded. I'm not at all aware of it when I'm speaking.

omg this is so me!!!


ava
xxx

[OxyFemboi]

avalon wrote:

Alien wrote:
but I was amazed when I heard a recording of my voice the other day to hear how gay it sounded. I'm not at all aware of it when I'm speaking.

omg this is so me!!!

ava
xxx

I know the feeling. I've been using SFHypno's Shrink Vocal Cords. I had to record an new message on my answering machine the other evening. When I played it back, I did not recognize my voice! It wasn't my normal tenor; it was soooooo femme!

Now I'd probably be classified as a countertenor (if male) or contralto (if female); they have the same vocal range. I should have expected the change but ... I still hear my voice as a low tenor (and I used to be able to do a good imitation of a baritone. Not any more! When I'm speaking, I don't sound male at all. I'm not a tenor any more. This is extremely kewl!

[psiboi1977]

Are there samples of the before and after vocals?

[OxyFemboi]

psiboi wrote:
Are there samples of the before and after vocals?

I really wish there were before and after recordings. The difference is literally astonishing. When this answering machine -- I bought it to replace one I bought as a Christmas present in 1985 -- loses power, it loses the "please leave a message" recording in my voice. That's why I had to record a new message. The difference is stark ... and actually unbelievable.

[rigsby]

It's not like I'm campy or fem or anything, but I was amazed when I heard a recording of my voice the other day to hear how gay it sounded. I'm not at all aware of it when I'm speaking.

I used to do some voice acting on an amateur basis. I had (and still have) a good range and a nice set of accents and other tricks, but before CFG I couldn't sound convincingly campy to save my life. It isn't my natural speaking voice now, and I don't want it to be, but I no longer have any trouble reproducing it! :D

[OxyFemboi]

macdaddy wrote:
... my wife dislikes actual sex, though she likes to cuddle and be affectionate. We have a great relationship. She is my best friend.

Hmm. It sounds as if your wife is asexual. It's another orientation, like gay, straight, or bi. For more information, read Wikipedia's article -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asexuality -- and the Urban Dictionary definitions -- http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=asexual ....

For information from the asexual veiwpoint, see http://www.asexuality.org/home/

[transformed]

My wife is very similar. She likes everything Mac's wife does except sex. I wonder tho whether it's the fact she might be asexual or just quietly resents her suspicion (correctly so) that I'm gay so the sex with her doesn't really interest me?

[transformed]

Just curious...CFG is a fabulous file and I've listened to it about a half dozen times but I can never seem to get myself into a full deep trance to really appreciate what it can (& I want it to) do. Has anybody found a good remedy for getting us hard-to-trancers get into trance deeply and become fully accepting?

[OxyFemboi]

transformed wrote:
Just curious...CFG is a fabulous file and I've listened to it about a half dozen times but I can never seem to get myself into a full deep trance to really appreciate what it can (& I want it to) do. Has anybody found a good remedy for getting us hard-to-trancers get into trance deeply and become fully accepting?

I have never had the problem of not being hard to trance. However, there are files designed to improve suggestibility. Both Train Susceptible and Train Suggestible are supposed to work well.

I searched for some others. There are files call Relaxation Training--Subliminal, SublimTrainTrance, SublimTrainTrance--Binaural, and a Premium subliminal file called Hypno Assist. There may be others.

[transformed]

Thanks so much for the suggested files Oxy! I'll certainly give them a try and hope. It seems strange that while I've been wanting this for years my mind can be so stubborn about allowing myself to fully embrace trance!

[Veral]

Hi there!

I'm new to here (been registered for a while but not using it) and I admit that I'm gonna join those to become gay by using CFG.

I always had some bi tendencies but I have finally decided that I wanna be totally and 100% gay, so... here I am.

I've listened to the file yesterday for first time and I still hadn't feel anything but a desires of listening it again. I guess it needs more time to make me gay :P

[Dreamin4Men]

This file has definitely done some good work for me. I went from being grossed out by gay porn to watching it on two monitors while jerking off with other horny guys in a video chat.I'm almost ready to act on this hardcore new arousal and it makes me feel hornier than anything ever has

[transformed]

[quote]This file has definitely done some good work for me. I went from being grossed out by gay porn to watching it on two monitors while jerking off with other horny guys in a video chat.I'm almost ready to act on this hardcore new arousal and it makes me feel hornier than anything ever has

I'm glad to hear it's working so well for you but am curious how many listens it took you since you were originally grossed out by gay porn? Did you have at least a minimal attraction to guys at the time?

[transformed]

[quote]This file has definitely done some good work for me. I went from being grossed out by gay porn to watching it on two monitors while jerking off with other horny guys in a video chat.I'm almost ready to act on this hardcore new arousal and it makes me feel hornier than anything ever has

I'm glad to hear it's working so well for you but am curious how many listens it took you since you were originally grossed out by gay porn? Did you have at least a minimal attraction to guys at the time?

[rigsby]

@transformed: Before CFG changed me, I did find some guys attractive, but I was always put off by a dude showing off his cock in a photo or a porno vid. After I was listening for a while, cocks of naked men started to seem more funny than anything else. It didn't take long after that for gay porn to start turning me on, and now the feeling of another man and his cock sharing my bed is just wonderful.

I never imagined that being naked together with another man and gently holding his hard cock could feel so warm and positive, but it's truly amazing.

[Dreamin4Men]

I'm glad to hear it's working so well for you but am curious how many listens it took you since you were originally grossed out by gay porn? Did you have at least a minimal attraction to guys at the time?

It took awhile, but I didn't start with CFG. I stumbled onto an Isabella Valentine torrent awhile ago and thought it would be interesting to see how effective the gay files actually were. At first it was just a little experiment but I always kept coming back. I had no idea it would effect me this much, and that alone gets me going.

Anyways, once I found CFG it really accelerated things. I was already at the curious stage but it just completely overtook me in a few weeks/20 listens or so. It's an awesome file and I love what it did to me.

[Dreamin4Men]

Oh my God... I think I've been 100% converted to a little gay twink. I haven't watched any straight porn in 3 months. The past day or two I looped CFG and played all my favorite gay porn vids on my monitor. I think that is what sealed my fate. Just thinking of a horny man makes me have to jerk off. I love that I accidentally became a little gay turnee.