The forced gay success thread...

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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby stephen292 » November 2nd, 2021, 1:58 pm

Hi guys.
Just a quick update. I'm still mainly attracted to women but have no real sexual interest in them any more. Have been fantasying about sex with men but didn't find any attractive. However, over the last few days I have started to find some men attractive and today I actually set one of my online dating profiles from straight to gay. I can't believe I have done that as I always thought I would never show my face on a gay site. I'll probably lose my nerve tomorrow and set it back, but at the moment I'm ok with it and have already received a like.
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby intfan » November 3rd, 2021, 2:19 am

While I haven't listened to CFG since a few months ago, I find myself looking at sexy cocks online and feeling comfortable admiring and being aroused by the images. I sometimes imagine what it would be like to have life of a gay man, dressing like a gay man, having sex with men, kissing them, sucking their cocks, having a boyfriend or even a husband. These thoughts burn a fire inside of me.

When I have sex with my wife, I often have to think of cock or sexy men in order to get hard enough to penetrate her properly. My orgasms with her do not feel as pleasurable as they used to when we have sex. I am also repulsed her vagina. I think cocks are much nicer to look at.

I think I want to listen to CFG again and live this alternate reality, at least in my mind. CFG and other gay hypnosis files have planted the seeds and it's having a permanent, lasting effect on me.
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby outkast1728 » November 4th, 2021, 8:18 pm

Congrats intfan, you've successfully made the transition and are officially on the other side of the Kinsey scale with your gay preferences. Best of luck on your travels down this rainbow road we call homosexuality
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby intfan » November 9th, 2021, 7:17 am

outkast1728 wrote:Congrats intfan, you've successfully made the transition and are officially on the other side of the Kinsey scale with your gay preferences. Best of luck on your travels down this rainbow road we call homosexuality


Thank you. The less I feel attracted to women, the less anxiety that I have about keeping up pretenses and I feel so much more free and liberated. I've discovered a whole new world of desiring to being with a man and to enjoy cock. I no longer feel compelled to look at women and find them desirable.

When I see a vagina, I can't help but want to vomit. And come to think of it, I've never liked the smell or the taste of vagina. A cock is much better tasting, and I so want to taste cum in my mouth after I make my future lover cum inside of it.

I feel like this is how I was meant to be. I have turned against heterosexuality and all of its trappings. I have finally won the victory over myself now that I know that I love men and I love cock.

I AM GAY
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby intfan » November 10th, 2021, 4:52 am

I just masturbated to gay porn after listening to CFG. I orgasmed and ejaculated a lot of semen. Normally, I would normally feel shame about having cummed to gay videos and think "oh my, what have I done?", but now I feel at peace with myself. My natural instincts are becoming more and more homosexual and my heterosexuality is withering away. I've lost interest in vagina and breasts and now, women's faces no longer get my attention like they used to by inclination.

I now want to avoid having sex with my wife going forward, especially if I will be masturbating to gay porn more often and I might not be up to the task of penetrating her. I know what I am saying here sounds cruel, but my wife has been distant as of late anyway. Perhaps she can sense the changes going inside of me, or maybe she needs some space, or perhaps she is not as attracted to me like she used to be. Maybe she needs a "real" man to give her company and sexual pleasure.

I suppose I could listen to other hypnosis videos to turn me back, but the truth is, I like feeling this way. I enjoy being attracted to men and I am perfectly happy not being attracted to women any longer.
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby warren101 » November 11th, 2021, 3:41 pm

@Intfan I was about to make an update on my trip to the gay world when I read your latest post. Now might be the time to level with your wife about your gayness. I went back and read your earlier post and I have no doubt that you are now gay, and you love it. If you still have kids at home the two of you do not have to split up, wait until the kids are out of school and on their own. Because of my prostate problem I tried to talk my wife into a lover but that did not work. It is quite possible that your wife will just stay with you until later. I wish you great success in which ever road that you take with your wife.
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby warren101 » November 11th, 2021, 4:03 pm

Now for my update. I am now starting to have thoughts that I am gay and that I can not change back. My reason for listening to CFG was to be forced into the gay lifestyle, with no way to return to the straight world. It took almost 7 months of CFG to have any effect. However in the last month I sucked my first cock and loved it. In the last week I have had 2 gay oral encounters. However up to now I have retained all of my desires for women. During this last week I have started to lose my lust for women, but not for my wife. It is true that our relationship is now a very friendly one. I will not be able to tell her that I am gay because she is not having an outside affair so therefor I can not have an open affair. I read all of the posts on here and I can not remember if any one was able to break the curse. I am going to stop listening and I will let you know what happens. Talk to you later.
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby femboy420 » November 13th, 2021, 6:46 pm

Good luck to you Warren. I know Ive crossed the point of no return. I read the script for curse forced staright and it was not appealing at all then I pulled up some pics of porn stars I used to love and I stayed limp but when I looked at a hunky naked man I got a raging boner instantly and all I can think of is how gay Ive become. It really turns me on that this was forced at first and I found myself liking it and wanting it to fully work and boy did it.
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby intfan » November 13th, 2021, 8:39 pm

@warren101 Yes I love being gay. The hypnosis has only uncovered what I had repressed all of these years. I must stop living this lie and confess to my wife. My desire for being with a man is growing stronger every day.
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby rjohnson7 » November 18th, 2021, 3:08 pm

Can someone post a link to the file Curse Forced gay (CFG) thanks
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby rjohnson7 » November 20th, 2021, 1:35 pm

I notice I’m doing many more gay things. I’ve listened to curse forced gay for three days now and I talked dirty and traded dick pics with a gay guy on Snapchat and came harder than I have in my life after. I’m interested to see what will happen after a few months of listening to this. Also, I noticed women don’t have nearly as much of my attention now and I don’t get nervous around very attractive women like I used to and I’m noticing men way more now, especially faces
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby warren101 » November 22nd, 2021, 11:09 am

@rjohnson7 Just go to files and search for ( curse forced gay ). I just looked at it and I see that EMG is now charging $10.00 for it.
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby intfan » December 7th, 2021, 7:34 am

warren101 wrote:Now for my update. I am now starting to have thoughts that I am gay and that I can not change back. My reason for listening to CFG was to be forced into the gay lifestyle, with no way to return to the straight world. It took almost 7 months of CFG to have any effect. However in the last month I sucked my first cock and loved it. In the last week I have had 2 gay oral encounters. However up to now I have retained all of my desires for women. During this last week I have started to lose my lust for women, but not for my wife. It is true that our relationship is now a very friendly one. I will not be able to tell her that I am gay because she is not having an outside affair so therefor I can not have an open affair. I read all of the posts on here and I can not remember if any one was able to break the curse. I am going to stop listening and I will let you know what happens. Talk to you later.


I myself am about to take the plunge into gay dating apps. As I'm no longer attracted to women and I have a burning passion to be with a man, I feel that it is my destiny to become the gay man that I have always been.

I would very much like to make a man's cock get hard inside of my mouth as I suck him and then swallow his hot semen. There is no going back for me, as my heterosexuality has faded into irrelevance. I'm no longer sexually attracted to my wife, except that I enjoy her company in a platonic way.

Long live the gay me!
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby warren101 » December 7th, 2021, 12:10 pm

@intfan There is probably no going back for you. Hurry up and suck that first cock or make with a man and i am sure that you will become all gay. On my last post I had said that I was going to stop listening to CFG. Ha that did not last for a week. I held out for 8 days and during that time I lost none of my desire for men. However I had to listen again and again. EMG has a powerful command to come back to the file. I don't think that I can break away from CFG. I also notice that my desire for women has slightly faded. I will continue to update from time to time. Thanks for reading.
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby ofbiot » December 10th, 2021, 4:58 pm

hi guys let me count my progress:

i thought "If I don't listen to CFG I would be safe it will be just temporal" ,so I started listening Curse Stroke Gay little by little without realizing it I started to listen to it more and more often then i started watching gay porn and fantasizing about men and when i found out i tried my best to stop broke several headphones lock this page I masturbated to straight porn and forcing myself to think of women when I cum but even though I haven't heard it for a month( and more now women attract me more than the time i was listening oftenly). but every time I masturbate I cant stop to think of cocks and mans bodys at least for now I'm attracted to the idea of ​​girly guys

I several times I find myself thinking in listen to that file again I feel like I can't take it anymore, Today I bought a book about a boy who became a woman and had sex with his best friend(i was horny ) so I got super hot and I'll listen to it again


I really don't wanna be gay the idea scares me but I can't stop myself I do not know what to do if I let myself be carried away by pleasure or try to resist.
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby warren101 » December 11th, 2021, 7:24 pm

@ofblot: Do not bother to be scared. There is now no way out. I tried to stop and i could not stay away from the file CFG. And now that I have sucked cocks i love it. You will also. I suggest that you just give in and go all the way.
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby warren101 » December 11th, 2021, 7:31 pm

@intfan: I always wondered why gay men would lose interest in their wifes or girlfriends. If you look back in this forum you will find that everyone loses interest in their wife. I thought that it would not happen to me because the my urge for women had not lessen. Well now I am losing interest in my wife and it seems as if there will be no returning to a hetro lifestyle. I can only say that CFG has completely turned me into a gay and I do not see any way back.
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby roshenclassical » December 18th, 2021, 12:15 pm

I have listened to this file here and there over the years and I have not been able to shake off the feelings for men's big cocks.
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby stephen292 » December 18th, 2021, 5:11 pm

roshenclassical wrote:I have listened to this file here and there over the years and I have not been able to shake off the feelings for men's big cocks.
That is kind of the same with me. I love the thought of cock and I find male bodies nice to look at, but I haven't gained any attraction to men's faces. so its always the same. I chat with a guy online but lose all interest when I see a face picture.
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby mustwanderlust » December 30th, 2021, 6:40 pm

warren101 wrote:@intfan: I always wondered why gay men would lose interest in their wifes or girlfriends. If you look back in this forum you will find that everyone loses interest in their wife. I thought that it would not happen to me because the my urge for women had not lessen. Well now I am losing interest in my wife and it seems as if there will be no returning to a hetro lifestyle. I can only say that CFG has completely turned me into a gay and I do not see any way back.


That's really interesting. Did you consider yourself bi or curious before listening? How has your wife reacted to the new you?
I was dared to listen to these files, but after reading here there's no way that's happening.
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby ofbiot » December 30th, 2021, 8:01 pm

I was with a boy sharing videos of our cocks in discord

It is possible that now I can not deny that I am becoming gay but do you know any hypnosis that helps accepting that? it will save me years of therapy

I have a lot of internalized homophobia,but it's my fault for listening to this kind of files
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby warren101 » December 31st, 2021, 11:08 am

@mustwanderlust I have to correct something. Others on this forum have actually left their wife. What I should have said is that I am losing my interest in sex with my wife. CFG is not causing me to want to leave my wife. Before I listened to CFG I was extremely heterosexual with no gay thoughts at all. For me it took 7 months to convert me to gay. For some of the others on here it about a month. I started CFG because I wanted the feeling of being forced into gay sex, and it really worked. I have not told my wife anything about this and I never will. It is only my opinion but I doubt that using CFG will force you into leaving your wife, unless you do not have any feelings for her. I can recommend CFG only if you want a really exciting experience. Please let us know what path you intend to take. Thanks.
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby mustwanderlust » January 3rd, 2022, 9:03 am

@warren101 I guess I should have said, to those such as yourself, how does your wife feel about you becoming gay? If she doesn't know, has see sensed your change and asked questions?
My use would be a be different from most. I am with a long term gf in a kink relationship. She has kept me in chastity off and on over the years, but wants something different. We have explored hypnosis quite a bit in the past for lots of fun uses. Personally, I've only ever been interested in women. Being part of the kinky community in a large city, I have lots of gay friends, but never thought of them in a sexual way.
We were toying with the idea that making me attracted only to guys would mean I wouldn't want to have sex with my partner (chastity) or any other woman again. She has a real love for the idea of being the "last women you ever found attractive" thing going on. If it actually works I love the mind fuck of it all.
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby warren101 » January 3rd, 2022, 2:17 pm

@ mustwanderlust "how does your wife feel about you becoming gay?" I have no answer for that because I have never told her and I doubt if she has sensed my changes. "Last women you ever found attractive" thing going on" That is one of the hottest kink that I have heard of. Please keep us informed of your progress. Thanks and now I am going to think about how I can turn my gay feelings into a shared kink with my wife. If I can come up with something, WOW. Thanks again.
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby mustwanderlust » January 4th, 2022, 6:07 am

@warren101
We are still talking about it. Well, she's pushing for it, and I am hesitating. I'm not quite sure I want to change my sexual desires. Though the idea of doing it for her does make me excited and happy. I think the main concern I have is losing my attraction to her, or causing a problem in the relationship we've built over the years. Will update either way.
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby nazihypnosis » January 19th, 2022, 8:01 am

Guys, I have a doubt. I never got into CFG but been into different hypnosis files for over 8 years. Forced Bi/gay transformation is one of my favorite. I have been with 10 guys and 4 women so far in my life. I am shy/anxious person. It is always on and off for me with gay hypnosis. Even before hypnosis watching gay porn and fantasising being the bottom was hot to me. These hypnosis intensified the feelings but so far I have never bottomed... that is something i would like to explore and see but also I am genuinely scared if I will go completely gay. I started a long distance relationship with a cis gendered girl and I really connect well with her, I don't see much difference between men and women but ever since I got back to my apartment (a few days ago) I keep thinking and masturbating to gay porn and guys and been reading messages from this thread. I am 28 years old and my hypnosis journey started when I was 20. Before hypnosis I noticed fluctuations... ie somedays I will masturbate continously to gay porn and find guys hot then I will get scared, start masturbating to woman and think I have beaten my attraction to men. After discovering hypnosis, I will start a file and I will stop it when i start noticing changes in me. I am so cconfused with my sexual orientation. Sometimes I am not able to get hard for my girlfriend and the hypnosis i am currently listening to might make it worse. What should I do? Any advice?
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby intfan » February 5th, 2022, 8:31 pm

As a result of discovering and accepting that I am gay thanks to CFG and other hypnosis files, I started to engage in cybersex with other guys on dating apps. I eventually met another man IRL (who is also married). We have made love and we have deep romantic feelings for each other.

My natural instinct is to be attracted to men and I don’t feel the same way towards women anymore. I don’t even need to listen to gay hypnosis on a regular basis as I am naturally homosexual now. Moreover, I no longer feel guilt and shame for being gay because this is what I was always meant to be.

I am ready to come out to my wife very soon. We have not had sex with each other for close to a month now. Our relationship feels increasingly platonic and it’s evident that the attraction and spark is not there. I feel that she deserves to be with a man who will satisfy her sexually and emotionally.
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby kyroc » February 15th, 2022, 12:52 am

nazihypnosis wrote: Sometimes I am not able to get hard for my girlfriend and the hypnosis i am currently listening to might make it worse. What should I do? Any advice?

Just go all in, imo. Plenty of excellent men out there
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby nazihypnosis » February 19th, 2022, 4:48 pm

I started listening to CFG binaural version. It's been 2 days so far and I am going to try to listen to it for 30 days. I identify as bisexual and have been with like 8-10 guys so far. Only oral, kissing, etc. Never fucked or got fucked from a guy... I have tried so many other files including CFG original version but never continued any files for more than a week... I am currently in a relationship with a girl (luckily we don't live together yet) so let me see if CFG makes me soft for her and also if it makes me lose attraction to women. I can appreciate certain male faces but let me see if I can go all man crazy within a month. My goal is to finally bottom as fingering myself always gives me amazing orgasms... and let me see if that is changing my orientation forever.
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby warren101 » February 24th, 2022, 10:56 am

@intfan Have you came out to your wife yet? I have also been losing desire for my wife. I never thought that it would happen, CFG is far more powerful than I thought it could be. If you have a chance please let us know what she says about your changes. Thanks.
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby stephen292 » February 24th, 2022, 2:20 pm

It is a powerful file. I haven't listened for quite a while now and I started dating a woman. Even though I hadn't been listening to the file I still had gay thoughts then I started going back on gay sites talking with guys. Now its over with her I think I will try and meet a man.
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby intfan » March 9th, 2022, 12:32 am

warren101 wrote:@intfan Have you came out to your wife yet? I have also been losing desire for my wife. I never thought that it would happen, CFG is far more powerful than I thought it could be. If you have a chance please let us know what she says about your changes. Thanks.


It finally happened last Saturday. My wife had her hair and nails done and was wearing very feminine lingerie. We started to kiss and after I undressed she kept motioning me to mount her but I could not get hard or even aroused. My wife then asked me point blank if I was gay and I looked at her and said yes.

She went silent for a while, she sighed and said that she always suspected that I might be. She asked me if I had been with other men and I very reluctantly said yes. She held my hand and said that it is obvious that I was meant to be gay and that she is relieved to finally know. She said she was reading about wives who live with gay husbands and how they see other men. But she said she still needs to figure out and process everything. Should we stay together or be separated?

She asked me if I liked to look at gay porn online and to show it to her on my phone. She said it was actually hot. She took her vibrator from her nightstand and started to rub my ass with it and whispered into my ear “It’s OK to gay” in a very sultry voice. That really made me hard. I masturbated and orgasmed as I looked at gay porn and she penetrated me with her vibe.

She told me afterwards that she always had a fantasy of being in a threesome with two men. She said if I could find a male lover who would like to do that, it would be quite exciting for her.

I think that went better than I thought it would. This could add a new dimension to our relationship.
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby curioussubby » March 9th, 2022, 5:06 pm

Hello,

I am new to the forum but not new to hypno / bdsm, etc. I am a fully straight married guy who wants to prove to myself that the file will not work. I am fully up for listening to the file daily for a set period of time, e.g. two weeks, four weeks, etc., then see what, if anything happens.

I'd enjoy finding a hypnotist who is very skilled and can act as a guide as I'm doing the timeframe of listening.

To be clear, I like the idea of a good challenge, and want to come out the other end straight, but willing to 'put it on the table' to show whether i resist or not.

Thoughts?
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby warren101 » March 11th, 2022, 10:54 am

@Intfan :D Wow it really worked out for you. From now on great sex with both wife and others. It turns out that CFG is great help for bringing out your deepest feelings. I am truly happy for you. I only wish that my wife had the same attitude as yours. Have a great time.
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby curioussubby » March 11th, 2022, 5:43 pm

Day one down. I decided to listen for 30 days. it does have a powerful message - i get excited by resisting things like this. We'll see how it goes!
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby stephen292 » March 12th, 2022, 3:36 pm

curioussubby wrote:Day one down. I decided to listen for 30 days. it does have a powerful message - i get excited by resisting things like this. We'll see how it goes!


This is page 46 of a thread of men saying this file won't make me gay, only to admit it has made them gay. You can try to resist, but if you keep listening, it'll get you in the end. I haven't listened to it as much as other men have, but I can feel myself turning. I have tried to fight it, but it hasn't worked. I would be very surprised if you listened for 30 days and the file didn't get to you. It may take longer than 30 days to turn you gay, but it'll be in your head and you won't be able to get it out.
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby curioussubby » March 12th, 2022, 5:09 pm

We will definitely find out -- I listened for a second time a few hours ago. It is catchy and intriguing. Still don't see it turning me gay, though.
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby stephen292 » March 13th, 2022, 3:38 pm

[quote="curioussubby" It is catchy and intriguing. Still don't see it turning me gay, though.[/quote]
I wonder how many men have said that over the years before realising it has. I think most men think that at first. I know I didn't expect it to turn me, just to create an attraction to men without changing my feelings for women. But we'll see how you get on with the file. You haven't noticed any changes?
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby curioussubby » March 13th, 2022, 6:42 pm

i listened to it a third time today -- there's an urge to continue listening and it's exciting; but no changes to desires, etc
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby curioussubby » March 14th, 2022, 3:35 am

fourth day -- and i admit it's addicting and powerful. I think i may stop listening, as i really don't want to be gay.
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby warren101 » March 14th, 2022, 9:02 am

@curioussubby I can understand your why you are quitting CFG. If you do stop please keep in touch with us. We would all like to know how you feel about CFG a week from now and a month from now. Thanks.
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby hypdude » March 14th, 2022, 11:17 am

Hi curious
Interesting that it hasn't even been a week and you are tapping out. Indeed it is a well done file and sounds like has gotten a slight toe-hold which may be scaring you off. I was really hoping you would do the full 30 day challenge because you expressed your ability to stand up to any file. I personally am curious if you are going to find yourself drawn back into it, I am not a betting person but I venture to say your innate curiosity and the quality of the file will lead you back to finishing up your test. Regardless of which way you go, your openness and willingness to test yourself is very admirable.
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby curioussubby » March 14th, 2022, 4:41 pm

Definitely a possibility. I have a craving to listen to it and might do so... That part i do find very effective.
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby curioussubby » March 15th, 2022, 3:25 am

multiple people messaged or wrote here that i am a quitter. i definitely don't want to be accused of that! So i will continue with the 30 days. I listened yesterday and will again today -- until i get to day 30.
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby curioussubby » March 15th, 2022, 3:42 am

Interested in anyone's thoughts. So the last few times i listened to it, I've been fully in trance but as the suggestions start, i just wake up. Then i listen to the next 4-5 minutes while awake and then stop, or fast forward, listening to 1-2 minute chunks until the end. I'm not trying to wake up, it just happens. Any thoughts?
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby hypdude » March 15th, 2022, 11:06 am

I think it is really important to not stop the file or fast forward or listen to chunks. It is fairly common to feel like you are awake. Just continue to listen full length without any stopping ect. Your mind will eventually settle down and you will spend most of the time in a pleasant trance. Consistency is really important. The good news is that the file is very effective at dropping you fully into trance, now, you can just settle back and enjoy its well crafted content.
I think I speak for others here when I say, I am so impressed and proud of you for standing by your commitment. It sets such a great standard for all of us in regards to "doing it right" when listening to files.
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby LOTRGandalf86 » March 15th, 2022, 5:54 pm

It’s also possible you’re hitting some subconscious resistance that’s waking you up.

It’s interesting though that part of you wants the file, though, knowing the risk, and knowing hypnosis is real.

Sometimes when you hit a resistance wall, it can actually be better to give yourself a day off. So 6 days a week for 5 weeks can sometimes be more effective than 30 straight days, as it can give the subconscious more time to process.

Also, you could also simply feel like you’re awake but still be trancing. Hypnosis doesn’t have to be “out cold.” Think of it like meditation — letting your mind effortlessly relax and effortless focus on one thing, which means sometimes your mind will wander or be more awake. And when we realize those times, just acknowledging it and slowly directing it back to the object of focus, but gently.
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby curioussubby » March 16th, 2022, 2:51 am

I listened again and stayed in trance the entire time. As with lots of files in the past, the moments after the session do have strong effects, but they quickly wear off. The addictive nature of the file brings me back for more, in addition to not wanting to stop and appearing to wimp out.
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby curioussubby » March 18th, 2022, 2:29 am

I'm curious if a subconscious could just reject the suggestions? Or is the file, if listened to enough, powerful enough to get past any initial rejection. Curious for thoughts.
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Re: The forced gay success thread...

Postby chadman » March 18th, 2022, 10:08 am

Looking forward to hearing how this develops. I hope you continue the journey and keep us posted! I find these files very erotic, but have so far been too much a pussy to go all in.
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