jr987 wrote:five_throws wrote:Since you're interested in trying a range of files along these lines, I would mention that there's two files: Jack Drago - Shattered Heterosexuality and Heterosexuality Eraser that some also find quite effective or at least make a lot of sense to some people.
I think Shattered is supposed to be the more intro level one. Or alternatively, I think it was designed as the series 1) Failing to resist (not explicitly any gay content), 2) Shattered, and 3) Eraser
I don't think I experienced permanent effects from those, but the suggestions made more sense to me than CFG at least, and a lot more sense to me than CSG, but I think different people are different.
I have a question for you; sounds like you have experience with a variety of these files: do you even experience negative effects from this stuff? I had a particuarly intense session with CFG a few months back that put me into a very unpleasant psychological state for about 24 hours. It came in the form as a kind of terror -- I kept hearing words like "warped," "twisted," "destroyed," in my mind and I think it freaked me out. I have commented on this board in the past that I prefer more positive, more gentle gay hypnosis, but that's me. It's not that I am not interested in "destroying" my heterosexuality. Nothing would make me happier. But I feel uneasy about introducing words like "shatter" into the darkest corners of my psyche. Wonder if you have thoughts about that...!
Sure, I can try my best. I think that the words with negative connotation only did not evoke a strong negative emotion. Perhaps, the only one I can think of that is slightly negative would have been "ripped." Perhaps it is more that my personality is more agreeable to suggestions about that... hard to tell. It could be that you are experiencing some resistance to the suggestions and it is coming in the form of fixating on the wording you find problematic?
For me, I listened to the files a lot, and it seemed kind of hot to listen. I would mostly listen while doing other things or watching erotica/porn, so relatively few time I was listening was I deeply focusing on only that, so there's the caveat that I defnitely didn't maximize the effectiveness. However, after many listenings over several years, including a brief intense stint that I once made a thread about with the intention to document, the long term effects have been very modest:
1. The idea of the files to be transformed in this area is interesting, even a bit arousing - probably more so than when I started
2. Homosexual gay porn is interesting now and it doesn't give me the ick factor any more, even though my perferred content is still (and always has been) trans themed content
I think for the majority of people who post here, when they report that once they can get to the second observation that I mentioned (gay porn is interesting/enjoyable) then they can get quick results, but not so much with me at least so far.
I think it would be not so fair to say that I am resistant to the suggestions in files like shattered, eraser, and CFG, but I think there have been a lot of factors that have slowed any changes that I experienced dramatically.
0. I don't have a previous "self-realized/reported" history of bisexuality. Now, this might be a controversial point, but I did once have a side project where I made a spreadsheet trying to keep track of all the stories of various users in this thread over the years, and the majority who claimed big results (in the incomplete sample I checked) did report that they knew they previously had some bisexual tendencies that they were aware of. (Of course there were exceptions to this as a disclaimer). Although I am very drawn to transfeminine people, I did not have any similar history of bisexuality per say to anyone presenting male... of course this can get into the argument about is is gay to like MTF people... My stance is not explicitly, although I do realize this is open to debate. As an aside, I have come to the conclusion that bisexuality is a better orientation than heterosexuality because of the ability to fall in love with a broader pool of people. I think that is a beautiful thing, but I just don't seem to swing that way before I had ever listened to the file or now, even after dropping a lot of the compulsory heterosexuality tendencies we then to pick up as we grow up due to the files' effects on me.
1. I am married and I care very deeply for my wife, and I am happy with a monogamous relationship, so in the non horny mode, outside of the thought that the files are kinda hot, there's not a strong driving force to want a change.
2. General files meant to remove unwanted suggestions seem to have a strong effect on me when I have tried them. Think ViVe's deep clean.
3. After it felt like there might be some changes, I had a lot of resistant thoughts questioning the files. I don't want to repeat those here for fear I might undermine the messages of some of these files, but I think at some deep level I like it that I am attracted to feminine curves and boobs, and it seems foolish to not want to appreciate those as much.
4. I realized that I actually have some gender-related issues, and I have come to believe that these gender related issues are likely accounting for my fixation on trans content and my interest in hypnosis audio in my case. (I do not believe that hyponsis audio caused me to have gender issues, since I can trace back to long before in hindsight...) I think my original interest to listen was originated out of a sense that something was not right. And indeed, something is not right, but perhaps it isn't the fact that I like boobs or that I like women. Like, it might be that I am not straight, but it isn't because I don't want to keep liking women... if that makes sense. Perhaps, it is more like instead of being a heterosexual man attracted to women, instead I am MTF trans and lesbian deep down. Its not so clear, still working on this part. Pardon the self-transphobia, but it is a bit ...complicated... to have come to this realization... and it is still a work in progress.
5. Because I am married/taken, I am not in a position to follow a lot of the suggestions in shattered and eraser that would follow the author's design to solidify the suggestions by acting on them.
Never say never, since I still do listen sometimes (and writing all this suddenly I feel more motivated to listen), but I think the points above have defnitely synergized together and slowed the effects very greatly in my particular case. However, this combination of traits or similar things is probably pretty rare. My sense is that the files usually work eventually (whether CFG or shattered/eraser) if the listener isn't feeling major resistance and keeps listening. That said, I am still interested enough to check on WMM and on this thread. Once again, never say never.
