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dionysus wrote:what exactly does a binaural do and how does it work?
bdbu wrote:hate to burst anyone's bubble but binaurals are a load of crap and do not work. its all placebo really.
bdbu wrote:hate to burst anyone's bubble but binaurals are a load of crap and do not work. its all placebo really.
bdbu wrote:hate to burst anyone's bubble but binaurals are a load of crap and do not work. its all placebo really.
bdbu wrote:I know all about binaurals and the theory behind them. wut im sayin is that it doesnt work like hippies think it does. its all a placebo. if they truly workede, it work for every person on the planet because there are no variables that would make it not work.
bdbu wrote:hate to burst anyone's bubble but binaurals are a load of crap and do not work. its all placebo really.
there is a difference between a medical placebo effect and wuts goin on with binaurals. with binaurals, ppl rly wanty to feel the desired effect so they pretend like they are feeling it when really the binaural is doing nothing. any effects of brain entrainment r all hypothetical and if someone was somehow given a binaural beat without them knowing it wouldnt affect them at all because it doesnt actually work.
bdbu wrote:ok so weve pretty much settled that binaurals are a placebo.
so why not just sit in a chair and pretend ur being put under since its the same damn thing?
bdbu wrote:ok so weve pretty much settled that binaurals are a placebo.
so why not just sit in a chair and pretend ur being put under since its the same damn thing?
Hrobjartsson and Götzsche published a study in 2001 and a follow-up study in 2004 questioning the nature of the placebo effect. (Hrobjartsson 2001, Hrobjartsson 2004) They performed two meta-analyses involving 156 clinical trials in which an experimental drug or treatment protocol was compared to a placebo group and an untreated group, and specifically asked whether the placebo group improved compared to the untreated group. Hrobjartsson and Götzsche found that in studies with a binary outcome, meaning patients were classified as improved or not improved, the placebo group had no statistically significant improvement over the no-treatment group. Similarly, there was no significant placebo effect in studies in which objective outcomes (such as blood pressure) were measured by an independent observer. The placebo effect could only be documented in studies in which the outcomes (improvement or failure to improve) were reported by the subjects themselves. The authors concluded that the placebo effect does not have "powerful clinical effects," (objective effects) and that patient-reported improvements (subjective effects) in pain were small and could not be clearly distinguished from bias.
These results suggest that the placebo effect is largely subjective. This would help explain why the placebo effect is easiest to demonstrate in conditions where subjective factors are very prominent or significant parts of the problem. Some of these conditions are headache, stomachache, asthma, allergy, tension, and the experience of pain, which is often a significant part of many mild and serious illnesses.
loony28 wrote:
So you're saying that binaurals don't work. I've heard of research on this where they hooked up volunteers to an EEG and used binaurals on them. You know what the EEG showed? It showed that the subjects brainwaves did change to match the binaural. Now whether this is a placebo effect or will could be debated. From my point of view, it's not a placebo effect.
bdbu wrote:loony28 wrote:
So you're saying that binaurals don't work. I've heard of research on this where they hooked up volunteers to an EEG and used binaurals on them. You know what the EEG showed? It showed that the subjects brainwaves did change to match the binaural. Now whether this is a placebo effect or will could be debated. From my point of view, it's not a placebo effect.
" o well i heard about this one study" is a pretty shaky response bro.
busboy wrote:bdbu wrote:loony28 wrote:
So you're saying that binaurals don't work. I've heard of research on this where they hooked up volunteers to an EEG and used binaurals on them. You know what the EEG showed? It showed that the subjects brainwaves did change to match the binaural. Now whether this is a placebo effect or will could be debated. From my point of view, it's not a placebo effect.
" o well i heard about this one study" is a pretty shaky response bro.
him citing a study is slightly more credible than "friends and people I know". Can you guess which is slightly less subjective?
ok so weve pretty much settled that binaurals are a placebo.
so why not just sit in a chair and pretend ur being put under since its the same damn thing?
bdbu wrote:busboy wrote:bdbu wrote:loony28 wrote:
So you're saying that binaurals don't work. I've heard of research on this where they hooked up volunteers to an EEG and used binaurals on them. You know what the EEG showed? It showed that the subjects brainwaves did change to match the binaural. Now whether this is a placebo effect or will could be debated. From my point of view, it's not a placebo effect.
" o well i heard about this one study" is a pretty shaky response bro.
him citing a study is slightly more credible than "friends and people I know". Can you guess which is slightly less subjective?
um i actually DID cite a study whereas he just pulled something out of his ass. learn 2 read.
bdbu wrote:i stopped reading when u continued to assert that "ive heard of a study somewhere" is a valid argument.
dionysus wrote:wow... you guys are pretty touchy about this. it really doesn't matter wheater or not it works to me, just what the hell its point is.
bdbu wrote:no ne here rly seems to care about the science behind binaurals which makes them differ hugely from hypnosis. binaurals either work on everybody or work on nobody because of the science behind them. therefore if it doesnt work on any one person, it doesnt work on anyone and those who claim they do r kidding themselves.
bdbu wrote:no ne here rly seems to care about the science behind binaurals which makes them differ hugely from hypnosis. binaurals either work on everybody or work on nobody because of the science behind them. therefore if it doesnt work on any one person, it doesnt work on anyone and those who claim they do r kidding themselves.
bdbu wrote:hypnosis totally depends on your personal thoughts which differ between people obviously, binaural beats dont. the theory behind it says that if ur brain here's this frequency for this amount of time, it will start to process that frequency itself. how the hell could that be so different between people? its basic biology, we all have the same parts. either it works or it doesnt.
hypnosis totally depends on your personal thoughts which differ between people obviously, binaural beats dont. the theory behind it says that if ur brain here's this frequency for this amount of time, it will start to process that frequency itself. how the hell could that be so different between people? its basic biology, we all have the same parts. either it works or it doesnt.
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