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Jacara wrote:If it had been done, and therefore been so significant as to grant immortality, would the people who discovered it really want to share it with the world? ;)
I say keep trying 8)
sarnoga wrote:It would have to involve at least two at a minimum. And then it seems most likely that it would be almost impossible to keep it from immediate family and close friends. And thats just for starters.
Sarnoga
Mino wrote:There is no evidence which I know of which supports out of body experiences to be nothing more than an illusion. That being said it is possible to create a body swap illusion with hypnotism, you'd get two people to listen to the same file which includes suggestion to tell the other person listening to the file EVERYTHING you know, your memories and your personality etc... And then you would take on their personality and have all their thoughts and think like the would and they would do the same but with you so you would have sort of swapped minds but it still would just be an illusion but you would affectively swapped minds.
Draygone wrote:Mino wrote:There is no evidence which I know of which supports out of body experiences to be nothing more than an illusion. That being said it is possible to create a body swap illusion with hypnotism, you'd get two people to listen to the same file which includes suggestion to tell the other person listening to the file EVERYTHING you know, your memories and your personality etc... And then you would take on their personality and have all their thoughts and think like the would and they would do the same but with you so you would have sort of swapped minds but it still would just be an illusion but you would affectively swapped minds.
That sounds awefully complicated. It would take a long time to explain everything about yourself to the other person. Much simpler just to have the person think that they're the person next to them, swapped bodies. The personalities and memories won't quite be the same, but it would still prove effective enough. Even moreso if the person you're next to is someone you know really well.
Mino wrote:There is no evidence which I know of which supports out of body experiences to be nothing more than an illusion.
loony28 wrote:Mino wrote:There is no evidence which I know of which supports out of body experiences to be nothing more than an illusion.
Well there are numerous cases where a patient has died on the operating table and they have gone out of their body and described what was going on later when they came back. Now I know that you will say that it's just the brain hallucinating but the people have reported seeing what goes on and described exactly what happened visually as well as auditorally when they would have had no way of viewing it normally. Later the doctors have confirmed that what the patient described did in fact happen. Now if you can give me an explanation on how this could be an illusion I'd like to hear it. Bear in mind that the doctors have confirmed what the patients have said they saw while they were clinically dead. Now if this isn't proof that you can leave your body then I don't know what is.
So now let's take this further. If we can leave our bodies, then why can't we go into another persons body? There are people who claim to have done this.
There is now an ongoing research project into the neuroscience of OBEs being undertaken by Olaf Blanke in Switzerland. This line of research acknowledges the experiences as reported by the subjects as valid. That is, people really do feel as if they have left their body. However, researchers have found that it is possible to reliably elicit such experiences by stimulating regions of the brain called the right temporal-parietal junction (TPJ; a region where the temporal lobe and parietal lobe of the brain come together). Blanke and his collaborators in Switzerland have explored the neural basis of OBEs by showing that they are reliably associated with lesions in the right TPJ region and that they can be reliably elicited with electrical stimulation of this region in a patient with epilepsy. These elicited experiences may include perceptions of transformations of the patient's arm and legs (complex somatosensory responses) and whole-body displacements (vestibular responses), all of which are commonly reported in OBEs.
In neurologically normal subjects, Blanke and colleagues then showed that the conscious experience of the self and body being in the same location depends on multisensory integration in the TPJ. Using event-related potentials, Blanke and colleagues showed the selective activation of the TPJ 330-400 ms after stimulus onset when healthy volunteers imagined themselves in the position and visual perspective that generally are reported by people experiencing spontaneous OBEs. Transcranial magnetic stimulation in the same subjects impaired mental transformation of the participant’s own body. No such effects were found with stimulation of another site or for imagined spatial transformations of external objects, suggesting the selective implication of the TPJ in mental imagery of one's own body. In a follow up study, Arzy et al. showed that the location and timing of brain activation depended on whether mental imagery is performed with mentally embodied or disembodied self location. When subjects performed mental imagery with an embodied location, there was increased activation of a region called the "extrastriate body area" (EBA), but when subjects performed mental imagery with a disembodied location, as reported in OBEs, there was increased activation in the region of the TPJ. This leads Arzy et al. to argue that "these data show that distributed brain activity at the EBA and TPJ as well as their timing are crucial for the coding of the self as embodied and as spatially situated within the human body."
Blanke and colleagues thus propose that the right temporal-parietal junction is important for the sense of spatial location of the self, and that when these normal processes go awry, an OBE arises.
Diapered_Cherub wrote:Just plain stupid thinking, it'll NEVER work. Never has,never will. It would require breaking tons of laws of nature. And if you are religious, then you can pretty much bank on the fact the God never inteded for ANYONE to switch bodies for any amount of time. I am amazed this thred has continued as long as it has,, it's stupid.
Diapered_Cherub wrote:well hell, I learned my lesson on posting in this forum. Lesson learned is: If you are not on the band wagon stay the hell away from the thead. People will misquote, belittle, and pick your reply to death.
that said,,, I wont post another word to this thread.
EMG wrote:Ok, diapered and looney. I can see that the two of you are REALLY getting on each other's nerves. you both need to tone it down. Looney you need to stop wording your answers as if you know everything, it's insulting, and diapered, we've already talked. Beyond that the discussion is fine just keep it civil and polite.
Kalendaine wrote: Trading bodies, i believe, would take someone with comparable skill in astral projection. In many of the cases i've read, and in my own exploration, there's been mention of a 'cord' or 'string' connecting your astral body to your real life one. I suspect that if you had two people who had comparable skills, each handing the 'body cord' over to the other, it may actually give control of the body.
However, i suspect that that may also be permanent. In order to give it a trail run, as it were, i would think that the two people would have to 'tangle' or 'twist' the body cords in such a manner that you were still connected to your old body, yet also connected to the new.
As for the "mind" of the body you're currently in, they are "comatose" and if you leave that one for another, the mind you left behind will eventually recover
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