The forced gay success thread...

[Dave564]

I started this thread 16 years ago - not bored at all, just hard to find time to post here while life is happening x

[jr987]

Well, I for one was at one point exclusively straight and now have a husband and a purse dog; so I’d say it works hun

Wow, that's an exciting result! How encouraging!

[jr987]

I started this thread 16 years ago - not bored at all, just hard to find time to post here while life is happening x

16 years is long ago! My kids were about 4 and I could hardly think about loving men for a minute. Now, I have time on my hands, and always glad to hear successes! And how did those 16 years go for you, in terms of your gayness?

[Dave564]

I was more or less fully gay and accepted this about 14 years ago, I'm no longer with the boyfriend who I had back then (although he was an amazing thing that happened to me)

but yeah things are good, I don't have a husband or a purse dog, but I do have dyed blonde hair and am currently chatting about pop music with a guy on grindr

[jr987]

I was more or less fully gay and accepted this about 14 years ago, I'm no longer with the boyfriend who I had back then (although he was an amazing thing that happened to me)

but yeah things are good, I don't have a husband or a purse dog, but I do have dyed blonde hair and am currently chatting about pop music with a guy on grindr

well, that's lovely to hear! did you start out gay and desire reinforcement using this (these) file(s)? or do you think you were straight when you started? I'm really curious about how much of a shift people have experienced.

[jr987]

I was more or less fully gay and accepted this about 14 years ago, I'm no longer with the boyfriend who I had back then (although he was an amazing thing that happened to me)

but yeah things are good, I don't have a husband or a purse dog, but I do have dyed blonde hair and am currently chatting about pop music with a guy on grindr

also curious to learn which files you found most powerful and/or meaningful.

[Dave564]

In my mind I was straight but had bi-curious tendancies - in no way did I believe I was gay though

[jr987]

In my mind I was straight but had bi-curious tendancies - in no way did I believe I was gay though

this seems to be the main thing these files do: help you *believe* that you are gay. Gay behaviors can follow from those beliefs, and if those behaviors bring pleasure and satisfaction, they become the reinforcement. That's my impression of what's going on here.

[Dave564]

I would need a time machine to go back and try to unpack all of this now

I definitely do not believe I'm gay - I am gay to the core.

[jr987]

I would need a time machine to go back and try to unpack all of this now

I definitely do not believe I'm gay - I am gay to the core.

Do you now believe that you were always gay, or do you believe that using these materials made that happen in your life?

[jorna]

I can see how the file can enforce/awaken gayness, but the most awkward/interesting part for me is your heterosexual part vanish too..

Like Dave...you said you were bi-curious. So what happened to your feelings for women? Did it vanish in time or suddenly very quickly? And how to feel towards women now? Don't just notice them anymore or do you still at some level get happy when you see a pretty girl? How do you look now towards the girls you liked or loved before? How do you look back at these relationships? Was it real or was it you figuring out who you are? Doesn't or didn't it feel like a lost when you didn't like girls anymore or didn't get turned on anymore..

[jr987]

I can see how the file can enforce/awaken gayness, but the most awkward/interesting part for me is your heterosexual part vanish too..

Like Dave...you said you were bi-curious. So what happened to your feelings for women? Did it vanish in time or suddenly very quickly? And how to feel towards women now? Don't just notice them anymore or do you still at some level get happy when you see a pretty girl? How do you look now towards the girls you liked or loved before? How do you look back at these relationships? Was it real or was it you figuring out who you are? Doesn't or didn't it feel like a lost when you didn't like girls anymore or didn't get turned on anymore..

While we wait for Dave to weigh in on this, I'd be curious to hear about your experience so far with this file (assuming you've been listening). Have you felt changes? Noticed changes in your attraction to women?

[jorna]

I have listened a few times, but not enough. I don't think I'm ready to let my heterosexual feelings go and therefore I don't think the file will work on me yet.

[Dave564]

I believe that when I was young, I bi-curious leaning towards straight - this file was the thing that opened me up to talking to men and being intimate with a man

When that happened - things changed gear and it was my boyfriend (at the time) introduced me to the gay lifestyle - that lifestyle change (along with the file) made me the gay man that I am today, and I'm really proud of who I am.

I don't really know when my heterosexual thoughts faded away, I would say maybe it was a slow process over 2-3 years, but I didn't realise it was happening, I didn't "think" about it because I was totally consumed with all the new things in my life - I should say that I love women, I adore them, idolise them - I see attractive women all the time and think "she's gorgeous" - I have lots of female friends, and have close relationships with them - I can (and have) kissed women (they love it) - and it feels great, but it's not sexual - women are a huge part of my life, they are friendships, and given me counsel - but arousal is just not there.

Identifying as gay is so much more than just these sexual aspects

[jr987]

I believe that when I was young, I bi-curious leaning towards straight - this file was the thing that opened me up to talking to men and being intimate with a man

When that happened - things changed gear and it was my boyfriend (at the time) introduced me to the gay lifestyle - that lifestyle change (along with the file) made me the gay man that I am today, and I'm really proud of who I am.

I don't really know when my heterosexual thoughts faded away, I would say maybe it was a slow process over 2-3 years, but I didn't realise it was happening, I didn't "think" about it because I was totally consumed with all the new things in my life - I should say that I love women, I adore them, idolise them - I see attractive women all the time and think "she's gorgeous" - I have lots of female friends, and have close relationships with them - I can (and have) kissed women (they love it) - and it feels great, but it's not sexual - women are a huge part of my life, they are friendships, and given me counsel - but arousal is just not there.

Identifying as gay is so much more than just these sexual aspects

I relate deeply to part of what you're talking about here, particularly in the following sense: I, too, see women all the time and think they are beautiful and feel very drawn to them; I have also dated women, been married twice, including to my current wife of 22 years. However, when I am alone in my own head--fantisizing (whether masturbatory or otherwise)--I feel so absolutely gay that I can't even imagine wanting to have sex with a woman ever again. It's a completely totalizing kind of experience of homosexual desire. (And I have had sex with several men, starting with a boyfriend I had back in high school, but all of that is far behind me in time; last time I was with a guy was more than 20 years ago). And so when I go out in the world, my feelings of attraction to women confuse me a great deal. And frankly, I'm not sure I really understand the difference, out in the world, between attraction and arousal. Like, am I ever really "aroused" by people I see on the street? I know that I can be very strongly *attracted* to lots of people. Mostly women, in fact. But once I get back home, I become totally gay once again. Very odd phenomenon. I think I use the files to try to flatten out that conflict. I'm not sure that has worked. But it has probably ramped up my homosexual desire beyond the already intense place that it already was!

[Dave564]

The moment everything fell into place for me was when attraction to women turned into admiration, and admiration for men turned into attraction x

[jorna]

The moment everything fell into place for me was when attraction to women turned into admiration, and admiration for men turned into attraction x

I'm currently in that process. The last year I have felt confused with these 2 'Admiration' and 'Attraction' as a theme. Often I wonder what it is what I feel for women. Am I still attracted to them or is it more admiration? And what defines the both? It's so confusing. To me the part of attraction turning into admiration to women is happening, but it doesn't work as a scale to me. It's not like I'm more attracted to men nowadays.

[jr987]

I'm currently in that process. The last year I have felt confused with these 2 'Admiration' and 'Attraction' as a theme. Often I wonder what it is what I feel for women. Am I still attracted to them or is it more admiration? And what defines the both? It's so confusing. To me the part of attraction turning into admiration to women is happening, but it doesn't work as a scale to me. It's not like I'm more attracted to men nowadays.

This feels true for me too, in large part. It's confusing to know what to do with it. I assume we are all here interested in this file because we *want* to be less confused and attracted to more men with more certainty. And I assume that for others it is the same way that it is for me, which is that homosexual fantasies are so intensely satisfying, that it feels like I'd be happier if my attractions in the world lined up better with my internal life. Sounds like Dave has found his way to that place.

[jorna]

What's the reason you don't start listening?

[jr987]

What's the reason you don't start listening?

Oh, no, I've been listening to this file (and several other things) for a couple of years. I get a lot from it, but there's a sense that the desired finish line--total homosexuality--remains elusive to me. I have certainly come a long way toward integrating my gayness into my full identity, but I'm coming to the conclusion that I may have to accept fludity as the permanent state, rather than being firmly "gay."

[JohnDave]

This feels true for me too, in large part. It's confusing to know what to do with it. I assume we are all here interested in this file because we *want* to be less confused and attracted to more men with more certainty. And I assume that for others it is the same way that it is for me, which is that homosexual fantasies are so intensely satisfying, that it feels like I'd be happier if my attractions in the world lined up better with my internal life. Sounds like Dave has found his way to that place.

I listened to this file for a few months about 10 years ago. and for a little while it made me very curious, it felt like my personality was changing, my eyes were opening, I was becoming much more outgoing, I chatted to women more, I even started reading womens magazines(!).

My tastes in porn somewhat changed too.. I always loved big breasts and cleavage, I started noticing how pretty women were and how they did their makeup and stuff.

After a while, all this faded away.. I had a girlfriend for a number of years, that fizzled out because apart from her boobs, I wasn't so interested in her vagina(!).

The thing is.. I now regard myself as straight again, I an look at curvy women and breasts and think they are sexy.... but just sometimes I get a craving for men, and I will binge on gay porn.. but this is always followed by a feeling of guilt and a purge, and women again.

It seems like I've been affected by this file on a basic level.. the thing is, I get the urges to listen again and feel myself gradually transform.

x

[five_throws]

This feels true for me too, in large part. It's confusing to know what to do with it. I assume we are all here interested in this file because we *want* to be less confused and attracted to more men with more certainty. And I assume that for others it is the same way that it is for me, which is that homosexual fantasies are so intensely satisfying, that it feels like I'd be happier if my attractions in the world lined up better with my internal life. Sounds like Dave has found his way to that place.

I listened to this file for a few months about 10 years ago. and for a little while it made me very curious, it felt like my personality was changing, my eyes were opening, I was becoming much more outgoing, I chatted to women more, I even started reading womens magazines(!).

My tastes in porn somewhat changed too.. I always loved big breasts and cleavage, I started noticing how pretty women were and how they did their makeup and stuff.

After a while, all this faded away.. I had a girlfriend for a number of years, that fizzled out because apart from her boobs, I wasn't so interested in her vagina(!).

The thing is.. I now regard myself as straight again, I an look at curvy women and breasts and think they are sexy.... but just sometimes I get a craving for men, and I will binge on gay porn.. but this is always followed by a feeling of guilt and a purge, and women again.

It seems like I've been affected by this file on a basic level.. the thing is, I get the urges to listen again and feel myself gradually transform.

x

Some interesting thoughts here. In your case, after listening frequently for a time, do you have an opinion about why you didn't fully change your orientation? The fact you listened frequently 10 years ago would seem to imply that you wanted it to work?

[JohnDave]

Some interesting thoughts here. In your case, after listening frequently for a time, do you have an opinion about why you didn't fully change your orientation? The fact you listened frequently 10 years ago would seem to imply that you wanted it to work?

I don't think I can remember why I listened to it so frequently. I guess part of me though that it couldn't possibly work despite what people here reported. Part of me was excited by gradually realising that something I love so much (big breasts) didn't turn me on anymore.. argh, perhaps the transformation is exciting itself!?!

Part of me wants to try it again, but I'd want to try to supplement it with something else, some kind of lifestyle change I guess?

[jr987]

Some interesting thoughts here. In your case, after listening frequently for a time, do you have an opinion about why you didn't fully change your orientation? The fact you listened frequently 10 years ago would seem to imply that you wanted it to work?

I don't think I can remember why I listened to it so frequently. I guess part of me though that it couldn't possibly work despite what people here reported. Part of me was excited by gradually realising that something I love so much (big breasts) didn't turn me on anymore.. argh, perhaps the transformation is exciting itself!?!

Part of me wants to try it again, but I'd want to try to supplement it with something else, some kind of lifestyle change I guess?

I'm always kind of been intrigued by the posters who say that they used the file because they doubted it would work. That seems like a funny way to tempt fate. Unless that sentiment betrays a deeper, repressed desire for men or something. That seems like a plausible explanation. (Which is not to say that I am asserting that that is the case. What do I know?)

My own interest in these files has always been about trying to make my "real life" attactions more aligned with my intensely homosexual desires in fantasy, porn, etc. (But--I apologize--I think I'm just repeating what I've already said here.)

[JohnDave]

My own interest in these files has always been about trying to make my "real life" attactions more aligned with my intensely homosexual desires in fantasy, porn, etc. (But--I apologize--I think I'm just repeating what I've already said here.)

Do you think if a guy masturbates to gay porn for a while.... they could gradually change their sexuality? Maybe that's something I could try adding if i tried this file again.