can a CFG teach an old dog new tricks?

[bostonmarc]

Hi Angel,
Which file are you listening to. PGM is not as forceful as something like CFG or Forever Gay. I have found it easy to listen to and over time it has def. changed my feelings and heightened greatly my attraction to men.

BM

[bostonmarc]

That has been the question I started with. I am wondering what others think. Are older people less likely to take to the suggestions in the files than younger people due to whatever reason? Does it take longer more repetitions of the files?

[angelcraves]

I have found myself a gay tist going under tonight .

[bostonmarc]

So did you notice a difference AC?

[angelcraves]

He could not get me under . I

[bostonmarc]

Try the G File from Sarnoga or Hypno Aid by DKaiser both were very helpful in getting deeper in trance for me.

[Alien4420]

That has been the question I started with. I am wondering what others think. Are older people less likely to take to the suggestions in the files than younger people due to whatever reason? Does it take longer more repetitions of the files?

I don't have any objective evidence to offer, but I'm guessing that that's the case, for two reasons. One is that being middle aged my sex drive isn't as overpoweringly strong as it was when I was a kid. The other is that it does seem to take longer to get stuff into long term memory than it used to, and I think that affects the subconscious mind as much as the conscious. Freud himself said that psychoanalysis didn't work after the age of 50, because the nervous system was no longer plastic enough.

[bostonmarc]

Interesting reply, Alien, does anyone else have any thoughts on the subject?

[Jal379]

Hey there bostonmarc? Just wondering how the transformation into a gay man is coming? Are you finding yourself wanting to sleep with a man yet?

[bostonmarc]

Thanks for the question. Well the desire certainly is there, but due to a couple of sutaitons I have not had the opportunity.

What I can say for sure about the files CFG and PGM as well as other files on that are on here deepeners or files that just make you gay, they work.

As you do listen to the various gay files over and over I have found greater acceptance of what the files say and less resistance to them. I took a break from CFG for a about 6-7 weeks and when I listened again this weekend I really "enjoyed" listening to it. Where before I felt some resistance when listening.

One other thing I have found is that using some of the deepeners made a huge differnce, Dkaiser's files were good for me. Also mixing up some files which were not in conflict with the gay files made listening fun and broke up listening to the same file every day over and over.

So...to all who have been following this, on we go..and thanks to all

[ftslave67]

I think that sometimes (unless it is someone you know well) there may be more stress associated with live hypnosis than with listening to a recording (especially if you have heard it before and know what to expect).

[bostonmarc]

I think that sometimes (unless it is someone you know well) there may be more stress associated with live hypnosis than with listening to a recording (especially if you have heard it before and know what to expect).

I could not agree with you more. I did try it with a tist on the phone, but never having met it was a little wierd. I would love to meet a tist in the boston area and see what might develop from that.

[wymid]

I'd like to tell my story here. I was thinking of perhaps making a new topic, but what I have to say seems relevant to to this thread.

I first was tempted into trying hypnosis by a certain Isabel Valentine file spread around the internet with promises of a hands-free ejaculation. I tried some other files of hers I found online. Anyway, she did a great job at making me fall in love with her voice and the idea of being hypnotized. I started looking into other hypnotists and I eventually found myself no longer caring about Isabel Valentine's voice, but my obsession with hypnosis never went away.

I would keep trying new files and new ideas as experimentation. Trying out new ideas and seeing what I liked, including sissy or slutty focused files. I really was getting into it, but then it scared me and I deleted all my files. A while later, I felt the draw again. This pattern continues on, sort of like the mood swings described earlier in the thread. It scares me because I think I'm becoming somebody I don't want to be, and by that I mean pure gay. I've always considered myself straight, although I can remember liking hentai of futanari and traps before I got into hypnosis.

I would be satisfied being bisexual, but I find myself succumbing to mood swings as I keep testing my sexuality and if I'm still attracted to women. On the plus side, I've made the determination that altering my body is out of the question (breast implants, hormones, or anything of the sort). My ultimate goal as of now is to be able to not care what a person looks like (at least for things out of their control, like gender). I'm having trouble though accepting thoughts of being able to see myself with a man, even though I think I'm getting more turned on turned by men then women these days. It seems to me, I'm worried that by accepting that idea, I'll lose the part of me that likes women.

[Alien4420]

Hi Wymid,

Have you tried the bi files? Curse Forced Bisexual, Train Bisexual. Seems to me they're exactly what you want.

Otherwise, I think your best course is to stop listening and let the files wear off gradually, maybe get the undo file and deprogram all, if CFG will let you.

[wymid]

I tried the Curse Forced Bisexual once a couple weeks ago, but if I'm remembering correctly, it seemed to push you towards men over women. For example, I think it instructs you to go out and find a man to have sex with, but it doesn't say anything like that for women. Maybe I can edit it to suit me better and give it another go.

As for just stop listening, I've tried that approach a couple times, but I guess I'm too weak. Just like I feel worried I'm letting women go if I give into liking men, I feel like I'm losing a possibly even more exciting part of my life by ignoring men. I'll give the deprogram all file a try though, thanks.

[Alien4420]

Suggest you listen to Deprogram All twice a day, both morning and evening. That way it will stay active and you're less likely to slip, once you do, it's hard to go back to Deprogram All, or at least it was for me.

BTW, one advantage of the bi files might be that they give you something new to focus on. Someone once suggested that and it made sense to me because like you I've found that it's harder to give something up than it is to get into it and once you're into men you don't want to give that up, at least, I didn't.

Another possibility, edit train sex women to take out the stuff about not liking men. I actually did that, it worked quite well for a few days but then CFG took over again.

[wymid]

One good thing about finding this site and these forums is reading about experiences similar to mine, like your own. It feels comforting somehow. I say somehow, because reading these experiences also makes it seem futile to resist.

[Alien4420]

Well, I guess we're the experiment here. So you can't say never. From what I've seen here, it can be thrown off if you've only been listening for a month, maybe two. I don't think I've seen any successes among those of us who listened longer. But that's based on only a handful of experiences. So rather than prejudging your chances of success, I'd give it a try. One thing that's certain: any suggestion can be removed. The only thing preventing that is resistance on the part of the subconscious, which will play all sorts of tricks to keep you from removing it. So the question is, can you get past them? And maybe another question is, do you want to get past them? Forex, do you like being gay, but have trouble with internalized homophobia, or guilt, or even the suggestion in CFG that you'll miss women? Forex, when I was watching a TV show the other day, I saw a couple of gay guys in bed and it made me nervous. Say what, since I'm turned on by guys in person and watch guys kissing and screwing in porn all the time? But it does happen.

[wymid]

I think you are on to something when you talk about an internal conflict. I never pictured myself being gay, so perhaps I can't let go of my past. It feels like I'd be giving up on a large portion of my life and it tossing it to the curb. I know some people might be able to just start over at a moment's notice, but I'd probably go through some sort of identity crisis. What defines who I am? It seems like I am a product of my past and my memories. Thinking about leaving my past behind, my train of thought would probably be "I am whatever person I want to be, and from this moment forward, I'm that person." But then I'd fall into my own trap of "If I can be who I want to be, why can I not simply be the way I've always pictured myself?"

Also, I was raised Catholic, so there's always that.

[bostonmarc]

. I know some people might be able to just start over at a moment's notice, but I'd probably go through some sort of identity crisis. What defines who I am? It seems like I am a product of my past and my memories. Thinking about leaving my past behind, my train of thought would probably be "I am whatever person I want to be, and from this moment forward, I'm that person." But then I'd fall into my own trap of "If I can be who I want to be, why can I not simply be the way I've always pictured myself?"

Also, I was raised Catholic, so there's always that.

These are all good points Wymid. However there is one other possible alternative for you in terms of reversing the effects. If you contact EMG you can purchase a Curse Removal file for CFG. Again you will want to think about it, as you will be doing a 180, but if you really want to reverse the curse, that might be a way to go about it. Although I have not read about anyone using a curse removal file, but you might consider it. And if you do, please let us know how it goes for you.

[bandler]

I think you are on to something when you talk about an internal conflict. I never pictured myself being gay, so perhaps I can't let go of my past. It feels like I'd be giving up on a large portion of my life and it tossing it to the curb. I know some people might be able to just start over at a moment's notice, but I'd probably go through some sort of identity crisis. What defines who I am? It seems like I am a product of my past and my memories. Thinking about leaving my past behind, my train of thought would probably be "I am whatever person I want to be, and from this moment forward, I'm that person." But then I'd fall into my own trap of "If I can be who I want to be, why can I not simply be the way I've always pictured myself?"

Also, I was raised Catholic, so there's always that.

From what I read in this thread, the power of the file comes from latent desires. Once the file gives the listener the excuse to indulge those desires, the subconscious does not easily let them go.

The concept of 'secondary gain' comes to mind here. A person who suffers an injury, and, for example, gets paid sick leave for several months while they heal, may develop 'permanent' problems with the injury. The subconscious thinks this is a cool trick for getting paid without working. The symptoms, pain, etc. of the injury persist even after it has healed.

[wymid]

I realize my thoughts before were a bit messy, but I found this blog post and think I can relate with the guy a lot.

http://bisexualblogger.blogspot.com/2011/06/should-bisexuals-get-married.html

Well for starters my bisexuality doesn't stretch to having relationships with men other than mates. My Gay side is purely sexual. I don't wanna kiss and cuddle men. I don't want to fall in love and set up home with them. It's really just a sex thing for me.
As for women. I could see myself falling in love, getting married and settling down, but revealing my bisexual side has either drove them away in the past or i've kept it under wraps to such an extent that i've come to realised i can't go through with living a lie.

Like the writer, I can easily see myself falling in love with a woman, but not a man. I feel like this is where I am, but it freaks me out if I get too excited about men, and I sometimes find myself with a strong urge to purge.

It makes me wonder how many straight guys out there also have a hidden sex-only type of gay side to them.

[bostonmarc]

Like the writer, I can easily see myself falling in love with a woman, but not a man. I feel like this is where I am, but it freaks me out if I get too excited about men, and I sometimes find myself with a strong urge to purge.
It makes me wonder how many straight guys out there also have a hidden sex-only type of gay side to them.

So what is wrong with just making it a sex thing? Is this about having sex with men or concern about a label of gay or bi?

I believe that being happy and feeling good are more important and more why you are here than the label. Also just as the transformation has taken some time, don't you consider that in time your feelings about what you will do or not might also change?

[Alien4420]

It makes me wonder how many straight guys out there also have a hidden sex-only type of gay side to them.

Hidden, as in repressed? All of them. Otherwise, well, I'd say if you are mostly sexually attracted to men, you're gay, if it's 50-50, bi, mostly women, straight. That's not the same as whom you fall in love with. I read forex that Leonard Bernstein needed men for sex, women for love. He married, apparently for political reasons, but he's generally considered to have been gay. Whereas I can fall in love with men or women, but wasn't sexually attracted to men until CFG.

[wymid]

So what is wrong with just making it a sex thing? Is this about having sex with men or concern about a label of gay or bi?

I believe that being happy and feeling good are more important and more why you are here than the label. Also just as the transformation has taken some time, don't you consider that in time your feelings about what you will do or not might also change?

Hmm, I guess I'm nervous I'd end up like what Alien4420 wrote about Leonard Bernstein, only not as lucky. If it's just a sex thing, it's difficult to imagine a woman that wants to be in a relationship like that. I'm sure there are some out there, but the thought I'll end up alone starts to creep into my mind.

This thread has certainly given me a lot to contemplate.

[Alien4420]

Hmm, I guess I'm nervous I'd end up like what Alien4420 wrote about Leonard Bernstein, only not as lucky. If it's just a sex thing, it's difficult to imagine a woman that wants to be in a relationship like that. I'm sure there are some out there, but the thought I'll end up alone starts to creep into my mind.

This thread has certainly given me a lot to contemplate.

Don't blame you. For what it's worth, there are a lot of Larry Craig type marriages out there, in which women are tolerant of their husband's sexual needs. I think these were largely a consequence of pressure to marry (the young Bernstein was told by the symphony's board that he couldn't become conductor of the Boston Philharmonic if he didn't), but it can also be that a woman just happens to fall in love with a gay guy, or a gay guy just wants to have a family and thinks he can "change." But it's also true that a lot of those marriages fail. Also, Bernstein was presumably able to perform in bed with his wife, since he had kids. Whereas CFG doesn't allow that. So I think if you're going to go with CFG, it has to be with the expectation that you're going to end up with a guy. And I know that uncommitted gay guys -- guys who are just in it for the sex and don't form relationships -- typically end up lonely. They get to the age at which they lose their sexual attractiveness and have to settle for the occasional mercy fuck with a younger guy. Whereas guys who form committed relationships have someone they can count on until they die, just as heterosexual guys do. This is one potential disadvantage of being gay: in a heterosexual relationship, the woman typically insists on commitment, whereas a gay guy who's only interested in sex can always find other guys who are only interested in sex until, one day, he can't.

[Dogboy]

There are women out there who are fine with open relationships (both the man and woman have an open relationship) and there are people who are into poly relationships where you are in relationships with several people and those people are also in relationships with each other.

Meeting people in the kink community might be an option if you want to explore sexuality without constraints of traditional relationships. (gay or straight)

[bostonmarc]

There are women out there who are fine with open relationships (both the man and woman have an open relationship) and there are people who are into poly relationships where you are in relationships with several people and those people are also in relationships with each other.

Meeting people in the kink community might be an option if you want to explore sexuality without constraints of traditional relationships. (gay or straight)

In the kink community maybe, but in mainstream and most of the rest of the world, most women are not so into open relationships and bi men.

I think if you take some time off from this site, forum and the file, give yourself a chance to see what you really want and feel, and then either back at it full bore or stay on your path to being straight. It is either do it or don't baby!! Trust me it is a slippery slope at best in between.

[bandler]

... in mainstream and most of the rest of the world, most women are not so into open relatonships and bi men.

I think if you take some time off from this site, forum and the file, give yourself a chance to see what you really want and feel, and then either back at it full bore or stay on your path to being straight. It is either do it or don't baby!! Trust me it is a slippery slope at best in between.

Most people sleep-walk through their lives, content with the consensus trance of their culture. When you wake up from that trance, you have a choice. I have been wide awake for over 10 years now, and I have come to understand many things differently.

Research has shown that humans are genetically programed to change partners about every 4 years. The 7 year itch is actually a 4 year itch, for both Men and Women. Yet most cultures place a higher value on societal stability than on individual happiness. (I'm Shocked!)

The institution of 'Marriage' is simply the best way yet found to keep the peace from a societal perspective. Imagine the chaos if everyone behaved like Tiger Woods...

Similarly, human history is rife with homosexuality. At various times and places it was 'normal' for men to have male lovers. It still is. Some cultures prefer to limit those particular options.

It is a privilege to have choices. And with privilege comes responsibility.

[qv]

Research has shown that humans are genetically programed to change partners about every 4 years.

...source?

[wymid]

I took the advice here and, again, stopped stopped listening to any files with gay or sissy stuff. I tried before, but always found myself drawn back, and was feeling a pull this time too (I don't mean any file in particular, though). However, I discovered something interesting about myself. I'm the type that never curses, but somewhere along the way those words must have become some sort of trigger. When I've become aroused recently, I've started to purposefully think in very explicit thoughts and say those thoughts out loud. Somehow, that was the key to fully enjoying those things I've been wanting to fully enjoy. Again, I practically never cursed, not even in sexual situations, so this type of 'therapy' might only apply to my situation.

[bostonmarc]

I just wanted to say that Cursed Forced Gay is truly a wonderful file and has certainly helped change my view of the world this year. Thanks EMG, and Happy New Year to all!

[redhotpump]

Just wanted to say Happy New Year and thank you to all the guys that post on here and for EMG and others that create files. I'm learning a lot, but still a long way to go. I have been struggling for years with my inner thoughts, and your posts and files are helping me explore those thoughts and hopefully someday accept them.
I hope this year, that I can like Bostonmarc and say " that Cursed Forced Gay is truly a wonderful file and has certainly helped change my view of the world this year"
For the New Year, I wish new beginnings for all

[presidentofpasta]

Only listened to CFG a few times, but listen to some cock sucking files on and off.
Every once in awhile I get urges to suck, but never for long enough to follow through :(

[ftslave67]

Give it time, Pres., maybe you just haven't met the right guy yet :)

I think eventually an opportunity will present itself.